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coemgen said:I'm sorry, but under your logic you're saying people who have sex with animals are doing so because they're attracted to them.
No now you are confusing consentual sex with rape.
coemgen said:I'm sorry, but under your logic you're saying people who have sex with animals are doing so because they're attracted to them.
coemgen said:^But you think environment is a part of it? Interesting.
Vincent Vega said:
And you can't make them stop feeling attracted to these, like you can't stop any fetish.
coemgen said:Is it a matter of simple attraction or sexual adventure? People do all kinds of things sexually. Are they just born that way, or are they just "having fun?" I'm sorry, but under your logic you're saying people who have sex with animals are doing so because they're attracted to them.
A_Wanderer said:Chemical castration seems to do the job pretty well.
Vincent Vega said:There are people who rape animals or a pedophile for fun, but there are also people who do feel attracted to animals or children.
And you can't make them stop feeling attracted to these, like you can't stop any fetish.
What you have to do, though, is to make them stop carrying out their phantasies.
I think people who are raping or are pedophiles just for fun are a very small minority. Usually it's their sexual orientation.
BonoVoxSupastar said:
These aren't sexual orientations. These are fetishes or fanasies and ARE environmental.
Vincent Vega said:
Some people with certain fetishes or phantasies went into therapy.
No therapy would help, they still had these phantasies.
If it was only caused by the environment, I would say there would have been some kind of a "treatment".
Vincent Vega said:
And which environment should make you pedophile?
Maybe an trauma, caused by something happened to you or in your presence.
But not the environment as the surrounding where you grow up.
Irvine511 said:
firstly, neither animals nor chlidren can give consent, so that's why sex between adults and children or adults an animals is illegal.
most people aren't terribly attracted to animals, or if given the choice between an animal or a human, they'd choose an animal.
the same thing with children. because it's easy to dominate a child, it's more of a act of access than of genuine attraction.
also, i wish we'd stop understanding homosexuality and a gay identity as being about sex.
it's much, much more than that, in the same way that heterosexuality is much, much more than about penises and vaginas.
or maybe i'm wrong?
BonoVoxSupastar said:
Same can be said for some with murderous thoughts, does that mean it was biological? Or maybe it's just we don't have 100% guaranteed treatments yet...
That would be environmental wouldn't it?
Vincent Vega said:
I'm not an expert here, so I might be wrong. That's just what I have heard.
And I think people who are really focussing on children have such a preference, otherwise they would rather rape a woman, which of course is illegal as well, has to be illegal, and will never be legal, as well as I never will tolerate or accept any of this behaviour and so on.
Vincent Vega said:
That sounds pretty much as if you expect me to justify this behaviour in any way, which I do, to say it again, not.
The factors of becoming a rapsit, murderer or whatever are just different. Sometimes it might be a born thing (I would say a serious mind disease), sometimes the environement or socialisation, and sometimes a trauma.
The reasons are different, yet not in any case justyfiable.
Yes, in a case of a trauma caused by anything experienced it would be environmental.
But there might be cases where this preference isn't caused by anything like that.
I can't argue it that much. As I said, it's just something I got to hear, that it is sometimes "in" the person, without any known "cause" from outside.
BonoVoxSupastar said:
Just what you've heard?
A preference isn't a sexuality though, you are blurring lines here. The majority of heterosexual male pediophiles will seek little girls, just like the majority of homosexual pedophiles will seek little boys. Their sexuality isn't "little girls" or "little boys" that's their fantasy.
It's just like some men may prefer blondes to burnettes, blonde is not their sexuality, it's their preference. These things are definately environmental, some are obviously much healthier than others, but the point is this isn't their sexuality.
BonoVoxSupastar said:
I don't expect you to justify anything except your view. Your view is that things like beastialty and pedophilia are sometimes biological and nothing proves that.
BonoVoxSupastar said:
The majority of heterosexual male pediophiles will seek little girls, just like the majority of homosexual pedophiles will seek little boys. Their sexuality isn't "little girls" or "little boys" that's their fantasy.
coemgen said:but under your logic you're saying people who have sex with animals are doing so because they're attracted to them.
martha said:
Why is it always the Christians bringin' up the sex with animals bit in the gay threads? WTF is going on in churches these days?
Pearl said:
True, but it were genetic, then both twins would be gay, not one is and one isn't.
I guess in that situation maybe it has to do with being mirrored-imaged: one twin is right-handed, the other left handed, one twin is the 'good' twin, the other 'bad', one twin is gay, the other straight.