No, it doesn't mean you tacitly approve it, but it does mean that, despite your feelings, you voted for a guy knowing full well he was running an anti-gay platform.
there are a lot of trump voters thinking this way and to label and dismiss them and howl for blood ("admit you voted for a racist xenophobic rapist!" was tossed around here for a couple days, as if that's got any other purpose than give you a sense of superiority regardless of the answer) is only going to make matters worse for everyone.
Speaking of Trump voters generally, this is the part that I can't get past. And maybe I shouldn't. Because if we all drifted into some sort of acceptance, what would the next thing be that we would hate, and then gradually learn to accept?
I know, slippery slope and all. But a year ago, I didn't think any of this was possible. I don't think any of us can bet against it not getting worse, at this point.
yup. and i don't feel ashamed about it at all.
i've voted liberal (or for the left wing candidate) in every other election i've voted in. in 2011 in my riding the other two major party candidates were godawful (one was laughably inexperienced to be an mp, and the other was a complete whackadoo), michael ignatieff was a total putz who would have been a terrible pm, and the conservative candidate was an incumbent who i knew did a lot of personal and behind the scenes work for veterans. i placed that vote knowing full well that it was potentially against my own self interest but i have no doubt that i made the correct choice of the options i had. should i feel bad that i didn't vote for a shitty candidate i didn't agree with who would have likely been a failure? every single person has voted for politicians they don't agree with at all on major issues because they were the best option available.
there are a lot of trump voters thinking this way and to label and dismiss them and howl for blood ("admit you voted for a racist xenophobic rapist!" was tossed around here for a couple days, as if that's got any other purpose than give you a sense of superiority regardless of the answer) is only going to make matters worse for everyone. i certainly wouldn't have considered listening to the side that was calling me a homophobe for days on end after that election.
this is not a zero sum game. it's not total victory or unconditional surrender. nobody has to cave on anything, but everybody needs to chill the fuck out with the labels. none of this is helping matters.
A man with a campaign blatantly based on xenophobia and lies and a past riddled with openly misogynistic behaviour is now the president elect of the USA.
That's ok, they're not racist and xenophobic and misogynistic themselves....yet they had no problem voting for the guy who is. Irony at its best.
It's time the deplorables own up.
Saying that Trump voters voted for a racist, xenophobic man child who is woefully unqualified for the job would not be an accusation. It would be a statement of fact.
And the day we stop pointing out the awful, terrible things he's said and done is the day that we also accept it. And when we accept that, what's next?
If Trump was the Democratic candidate , I'd have voted Republican and said the same things about him. This is not about party or "sides," it's about how terrible this candidate is, and how awful his worst case scenarios all are.
And there again we have it, all the Trump voters are "deplorables".
But if we don't call out really bad behavior we risk normalizing it, and continue our march into the sewer of ethnonationalism.
I know it's uncomfortable, and I don't recommend the "you voted for racism!" as an actual political strategy. But when we think about what just happened, we can't excuse away the fact that a lot of people voted for some really deplorable things. And I think a lot of white men have difficulty understanding these things (because they have the unique opportunity not to be defined by their race and gender, as I've come to terms with my homosexuality I've seen my whiteness and maleness in a totally different light).
And then we have the actual deplorables: the KKK, Steve Brannon, Frank Gafney. I'm not the slightest bit concerned at calling deplorable people deplorable.
But if we don't call out really bad behavior we risk normalizing it, and continue our march into the sewer of ethnonationalism.
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well, my point was certainly missed by a country mile.
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So 60 Million folks exhibited "really bad behavior" last Tuesday?
well, my point was certainly missed by a country mile.
let's continue to be lazy and blanket-label our political opponents as human pond scum, then. who gives a fuck what that attitude does to the country as long as we can pat ourselves on the back about being better humans than them.
ThisOh my fucking God. Over the course of the campaign Trump has said many racist, xenophobic and sexist things, and yet people looked the other way and voted for him anyway. It was right there in front of their eyes. We're not making this up
Oh my fucking God. Over the course of the campaign Trump has said many racist, xenophobic and sexist things, and yet people looked the other way and voted for him anyway. It was right there in front of their eyes. We're not making this up.
It comes down to the individual person. If a candidate puts forward economic policies that I 100% agree with to the letter, and yet still enables white nationalists with racist and xenophobic rhetoric such as a Muslim ban, calling Mexicans rapists etc., I AM NOT VOTING FOR THAT PERSON NO MATTER HOW IT WOULD PERSONALLY BENEFIT ME.
Oh my fucking God. Over the course of the campaign Trump has said many racist, xenophobic and sexist things, and yet people looked the other way and voted for him anyway. It was right there in front of their eyes. We're not making this up.
It comes down to the individual person. If a candidate puts forward economic policies that I 100% agree with to the letter, and yet still enables white nationalists with racist and xenophobic rhetoric such as a Muslim ban, calling Mexicans rapists etc., I AM NOT VOTING FOR THAT PERSON NO MATTER HOW IT WOULD PERSONALLY BENEFIT ME.
well, my point was certainly missed by a country mile.
Yes, I agree.totally hyperbolic situation I know
Yeah, the only thing is that not that many here are blanket-labeling anyone.
Merely 'labeling' Trump's campaign.
it seems you missed out on the election thread last wednesday. off the top of my head i can think of two posters who did this more than once.
well, my point was certainly missed by a country mile.
Oh my fucking God. Over the course of the campaign Trump has said many racist, xenophobic and sexist things, and yet people looked the other way and voted for him anyway. It was right there in front of their eyes. We're not making this up.
It comes down to the individual person. If a candidate puts forward economic policies that I 100% agree with to the letter, and yet still enables white nationalists with racist and xenophobic rhetoric such as a Muslim ban, calling Mexicans rapists etc., I AM NOT VOTING FOR THAT PERSON NO MATTER HOW IT WOULD PERSONALLY BENEFIT ME.
Its in this thread as well.
3rd post on page 1 is where it starts.
But the opponent has to be considered as well. What if someone is convinced Mrs. Clinton would plunge the country into a violent conflict in the middle east and their son has just enlisted in the military, would they not have to make a choice as to whether they prefer a guy who is displaying xenophobia to a candidate who might get their child killed in war?(totally hyperbolic situation I know, just illustrating a point that folks make their choice for all kinds of reasons, and the labelling of all of his supporters one way can also be discriminatory)