I don't think you do believe that.
Jayzus dude.
When you became involved in this dicussion, your first post was to deconstruct my post
Yes. Because I disagreed with it, point for point. Still do. Still hope you're right too.
I think you have become confused because I started that post by saying "fact of the matter is". That does not mean that everything I am posting below is fact. It is a plea for people to look at the evidence I am posting to help them see how the situation now is different to 3, 8 and 12 years ago.
First, I didn't take it as fact. I took it as opinion. That's why we disagree. You think what you have are facts. I think you may also believe what I'm saying I believe are facts. Neither is true. It's all opinion.
Second, You think just because I disagree that I'm confused? Wow.
Of course you may have your opinion that it is not different than last time, but try and back up your arguements with logic, or at least say that it is your gut feeling. Don't just tell us we are wrong because you say so.
So, you get to present evidence to your opinion. But anyone else that has different opinion, its only valid if its a gut feeling if the logic I'm using (and I am using logic and historical trends) isn't something you feel is valid?
Do you have any idea how arrogant you sound?
As to telling you you are wrong because I say so, I've given you plenty of evidence as to why I believe what I do. You don't agree with it; that's fine. But to say I have no evidence is entering the realm of all the stuff you and Mikal have been accusing me of. Neither of us have any concrete evidence. Its all conjecture from both sides. Both sides have some circumstantial evidence from which we are coming to opposite conclusions. That's the extent of it.
Are you honestly not prepared to acknowledge that this time IS different (as opposed to MIGHT BE different) simply because we have an album name (noone has said it to be provisional, Bono has actually said on many occasions "the next album is called Songs of Ascent), a first single name (Bono has called EBW the first single on 2 occasions, once in late march, once in october) and information from 2 different sources about the band recording in vancouver when the tour leg is over.
Yes! I said in my first post to you that I'm optimistic of seeing another album sooner rather than later. Do you need me to quote it? But I also wouldn't be surprised at all if it doesn't appear at minimum in Dec 2010 or worst case senario years down the road or it could even be shelved just like the Rubin sessions for the reasons I've given in past posts.
But for all that optimism I do have about the record, none of it comes from a song name or an album title name nor from the fact some guy on a message board said U2 booked some studio time. My optimism soley is based on the band saying Eno was in the studio looking over the stuff and the band saying they were planning to take a look at the stuff when leg 2 ends. Those two statements alone don't inspire that much optimism and certainly says nothing of any kind of timetable.
If in the face of all of this, you still cannot see how this is any different from passing comments (eg larry in Honolulu saying "see you real soon," honestly, that was ALL?!?!?!)
it was much more than that. That was the tailend of a lot of rumors about a new album on the way. No, not just going off one comment.
then I dont know what else to say. This is something that isn't a matter of opinion. It is fact that they have done things differently, I think you assume that we think the outcome has to be different because of it: not true. It may be shelved. However these signs point to them working hard to finish it and get it out, and for now that is change.
See, you just take a this huge leap right in mid paragraph that is based on nothing at all that I'm sorry I can't reconcile:
then I dont know what else to say. This is something that isn't a matter of opinion. It is fact that they have done things differently, I think you assume that we think the outcome has to be different because of it: not true. It may be shelved.
No problems here and then:
However these signs point to them working hard to finish it and get it out, and for now that is change.
How? I ask that rhetorically. You've already explained your opinion. But there is nothing that's been said by the band that they are, or will be, working hard on putting it out. And I'm reading "working hard to finish it and get it out" as "get it out quickly" and there is ZERO evidence to say they plan on doing that.
Look, the end of the Vertigo tour was December 2006. U2 were talking about a quick turnaround. They wanted to build on the momentum the Vertigo tour. They started the Rubin sessions before the tour ended, in July of 06. U2.com subscribers were even emailed with confirmation that U2 were already at work on the new album. That album came out how much later?
The only differences you have to that is the name of a song and the name of an album. In november of 2008, the name of NLOTH was Daylight and Darkness. Names change. Bono is the king of hype. He's like a 5 year old with A.D.D. so excited for fifteen minutes about something until the next bright and shiny comes along to distract him.
That's circumstantial stuff. But its no different from yours.
i said take it with a grain of salt before i posted the quote.
I like the idea posted earlier that the band will want to have some new songs to play live next year...
