BoMac
Self-righteous bullshitter
Now would be a good time for Bono to tell us how exactly do we dismantle an atomic bomb.
Interesting insight, thanks. And I'll echo what Angel said regarding the military strength of the US.some things to keep in mind here:
- there is no evidence yet that they've developed a re-entry vehicle. meaning they can launch these missiles, but can't bring them back down without having them burn up in the atmosphere. yes, their tests often land in the sea of japan, but that's because they don't go up high enough to escape the atmospheric effects. a rocket with an armed nuclear warhead attached to it is far heavier than a rocket loaded with scientific instruments. it's not very useful to fire a nuclear missile into space with no way to get it back down unless you're planning to make a cool new crater on the moon.
- here is a partial list of missile defense systems in the pacific ocean and surrounding area:
AEGIS missile cruiser ships: 90% success rate per ship shooting down mid-range ballistic missiles, 22 cruisers and 62 destroyers, also deployed by japan (6 ships) and south korea (3 ships)
ground-based midcourse defense system (GMD): designed to shoot down ICBMs in space at the top of their flight path while deploying the warhead(s). 55% kill rate per missile.
terminal high-altitude area defense (THAAD): brand new system designed to shoot down short and medium range missiles. 13 out of 16 tests successful.
and as a last line of defense there are hundreds of patriot pac-3 anti-missile systems along the west coast and in hawaii that would be firing thousands of rockets at anything inbound, although that would be mostly out of desperation. those are moreso meant to defend against submarine-launched missiles.
these things all have quite high success rates, and multiply that by the certainty that if something was detected as heading for the USA, everything would be launched to shoot that fucker out of the sky. it's a huge step (still, if true - i'm less skeptical than before but still not convinced) to be sure but they still can't really nuke the USA like this is being made out to sound like.
some things to keep in mind here:
- there is no evidence yet that they've developed a re-entry vehicle. meaning they can launch these missiles, but can't bring them back down without having them burn up in the atmosphere. yes, their tests often land in the sea of japan, but that's because they don't go up high enough to escape the atmospheric effects. a rocket with an armed nuclear warhead attached to it is far heavier than a rocket loaded with scientific instruments. it's not very useful to fire a nuclear missile into space with no way to get it back down unless you're planning to make a cool new crater on the moon.
these things all have quite high success rates, and multiply that by the certainty that if something was detected as heading for the USA, everything would be launched to shoot that fucker out of the sky. it's a huge step (still, if true - i'm less skeptical than before but still not convinced) to be sure but they still can't really nuke the USA like this is being made out to sound like.
if he seriously tried to pre-emptively nuke pyongyang, there would be a coup, guaranteed. section 4 of the 25th amendment would be invoked well before that order went down the chain of command, because that would be literally insane. he doesn't have sole power to make that decision on a whim, thankfully. the majority of the cabinet seems like they're sane enough to know that instantly and deliberately starting world war 3 (this time it's nuclear!) with china would be a fairly poor idea.
my understanding is that nuclear warheads are on the heavy side for the kind of launchers that go underneath them, as you need to have counter-measures and arming and control systems included as well which add a ton of weight relative to weapon payload. but i am no expert and i was admittedly perhaps a bit too speculative there. of course i defer to your mastery when it comes to anything to do with putting things into space. i'm still only at about intermediate KSP level.
i still haven't managed toland anyone onreturn anyone from duna, by the way
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I went Eve for my first extrakerbin lander. Worst mistake... took me a bazillion tries to get back off. Nuclear thermal cruise engine on there
Blah blah blah Kim.
you've got a great set of lander cans
Do you want Dunar advice on the space thread?
I am so tired of people equating the two and pretending as if we were screwed either way, as if one isn't dramatically, sickeningly worse than the other.
if he seriously tried to pre-emptively nuke pyongyang, there would be a coup, guaranteed. section 4 of the 25th amendment would be invoked well before that order went down the chain of command, because that would be literally insane. he doesn't have sole power to make that decision on a whim, thankfully. the majority of the cabinet seems like they're sane enough to know that instantly and deliberately starting world war 3 (this time it's nuclear!) with china would be a fairly poor idea.
Flawed people...go to the platform. One is far closer to your belief than the other. Even if you were somehow to mathematically cross cancel "Trump/Clinton", you have party platform.
Manafort's house raised by FBI this morning - "no knock" raid.
And now Trump's bluster on NK makes more sense.
WAAZ what part of AZ do you live in. What an incredible visual feast of the high desert, Grand Canyon, painted desert, Oak Creek Canyon (on my way to SF,Cali by bus). And Monument Valley of the Navaho Nation, and the 3 mesas of the Hopi Nation. Oh yes and Argartha (a volcanic lava 1,000 ft spike) on your way to MV.
Ultra swoon with wonderment! So beautiful!
Now would be a good time for Bono to tell us how exactly do we dismantle an atomic bomb.
So that leaves war.
mama cass said:no.
the war option absolutely has to be off the table
North Korea needs "taken out" but how do you do it? NK at the hint of an attack would virtually destroy Soul and undoubtedly start lobbing nukes around. Also would China simply stand by? would it lead to a world war? It's an incredibly precarious situation. I've no doubt NK are planning to "bracket" Guam and at that point it's anyones guess as to what will happen.Just to be clear I'm not advocating for war by any stretch of the imagination. I'm just asking what is a possible scenario that will not be as terrifying as anything I can imagine?
Continuing the diplomatic approach will mean that NK sooner or later will be a full nuclear power with the capability to wipe out just about any country or half the planet for that matter, and a leader that is not just completely insane but also a country with far less checks and balances than the US. Just what are the options at this point?
would virtually destroy Soul
It would kill an incredible amount of people. What fantast land are you living in if you don't believe that? (Trump land probably).