Hannah Montana Topless In Vanity Fair

[sue4u2]

They had their minds in the gutter even back then.

WTF? how did being concerned with pedophilia and exploitation make the jump to "having their minds in the gutter".
I have so many problems with these images because I've seen the damage done by children being used.
Guess I've seen too much and lived too long.

People who see nothing wrong with explicit (or not so, but nearly) photos of children have led us to a world full of sex dens, slave trade and excursions to foriegn countries to have sex with children that have been sold and kidnapped.
Okay maybe I made a leap from this photo to sex trade, but I can't help it.
I see problems with this "anything goes- get your mind out of the gutter" attitude.
My mind never was in the gutter.
It's exasperating someimes.

 

[Zoots]

Terrible picture! She looks dead. And I agree that it is way too early for her to be posing like this!

 

[Irvine511]

i find it interesting when people think that the sexualization of 15 year old girls is a modern phenomenon.

maybe using the sexuality of a 15 year old to sell magazines is relatively modern, but there's nothing new here.

 

[A_Wanderer]

WTF? how did being concerned with pedophilia and exploitation make the jump to "having their minds in the gutter".
I have so many problems with these images because I've seen the damage done by children being used.
Guess I've seen too much and lived too long.

People who see nothing wrong with explicit (or not so, but nearly) photos of children have led us to a world full of sex dens, slave trade and excursions to foriegn countries to have sex with children that have been sold and kidnapped.
Okay maybe I made a leap from this photo to sex trade, but I can't help it.
I see problems with this "anything goes- get your mind out of the gutter" attitude.
My mind never was in the gutter.
It's exasperating someimes.

No, people who are sexually attracted to children and are willing to rape them have led down that road.

Children are raped by family members and those with authority, I don't think that blame should be pinned on artists and the arguments here seem to lead down the road of censorship. This is not child porn, it is a separate issue and even though it may raise emotions high it should be approached for what it is.

 

[maycocksean]

[B


But, I am not sure your school children in Saipan, with different backgrounds and cultures are the best gage.

I think if you asked them about many of the things that Miley Cyrus does
they and many people in Asian countries would not approve . [/B]

With all due respect, I don't think you have an accurate picture of the sophistication and "Westernization" of the kids who live out here. These kids are on myspace too.

 

[deep]

I did do a little checking after my post


English is the 4th language

Catholic the no. 1 religion

so, I imagine being a U S territory and that your students are all fluent English speakers and Christian, they are similar to our American children in more ways than the Asian culture I suggested.

 

[Salome]

given the avarage age kids (and I use that word on purpose) start having sex nowadays I don't think a picture of a 15 year old with a bare back is what we should focus our worries on

I think this pic is quite poor and I think it's quite a stretch to call it art
still it resembles art more than child pornography

 

[Carek1230]

The parents should never have allowed their daughter to pose like that. That said, I am really tired of hearing everyone on every show all over the airwaves on TV channels around the world talking about it! If Miley Cyrus keeps up this kind of attention she's soon on a downhill spiral. Very sad.

 

[CTU2fan]

I think it's a little creepy. Not a huge deal, but I'm not really comfortable with it. Old news though...I'm sure many of you remember the Brooke Shields pics from back in the day, and she was what, 13 I think?

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

^ Now, that fits the definition of "topless" pictures.

and bottomless... not that i looked...

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

i find it interesting when people think that the sexualization of 15 year old girls is a modern phenomenon.

maybe using the sexuality of a 15 year old to sell magazines is relatively modern, but there's nothing new here.

more and more people today feel the need to make excuses for the same things that occured when they were kids.

in the 1950s kids played i'll show you mine if you show me yours. now they do it with their cell phones. nothing's really changed except for the technology.

in 1966 when a guy got ontop of a college clock tower and took out 16 people with a sniper rifle, it was because he had gone crazy. today it's because he played grand theft auto.

who knows. kids these days :shakesangryfist:

 

[Sicy]

Terrible picture! She looks dead. And I agree that it is way too early for her to be posing like this!

I agree. Actually, aside from looking dead, I think she also looks like she just had sex. Why was there a need for her to be backless and look like she just gave head or had a wild romp? She's only 15 for gods sake.

And then the other scandal is about the photos of her and her Dad, whether or not they're appropriate, for them to be laying on each other like that. I dont know if that was mentioned here I just skimmed through the thread.

 

[sue4u2]

I saw that pic also and even though someone mentioned she was sprawled across her dad's crotch, I didn't think it was that bad. Yes, she was leaning across him and they held hands but I've seen fathers interact with their daughters like that and I didn't immediately think anything was going on with them.
But it could be to intimate for some people to feel comfortable with I guess.

 

[thatsnotmypuppy]

It seems to be blown way out of proportion. Is he was 16 would that be any better? Thats the age in alot of 'western' countries for kids to start having sex 'legally'.

I dunno - the picture doesn't really impress me, but alot of girls seem to be 'sexualised' at a young age these days. It isn't right, but it is just how it is.

At least she hasn't got crotch shots leaked on the net like the girl from High School Musical. Then again I think that girl (Vanessa?) is 18 or something.

 

[VintagePunk]

The most problematic thing I can see with this picture isn't really the picture, but the context of it.

I'm really not that familiar with the whole Miley Cyrus phenomenon, but hasn't her career been spent marketing herself to a very, very young audience, like in the range or 6 or 7 to 12 year olds? If so, I can certainly understand the distaste with the photo, and parents of girls in this age group who have spent a considerable amount of money on her being somewhat pissed. There is a HUGE difference between this set of circumstances, and someone marketed to an older audience, like the High School Musical girl, and Brooke Shields, who was pretty much promoted to an older/adult audience since the beginning of her career.

 

[Liesje]

I don't really care about the picture and whether or not *I* think it's artsy or no big deal or scandalous....what concerns me is that she is a minor and she is saying she did not want to be photographed like that and wished she never had. To me, that's what's sad and disturbing.

 

[deep]

If the Texas Rangers can take 465 of those FLDS polygamist children and put them in protective custody


Why can't they do the same for poor Miley
before she gets stuck with Billy Ray's achy breaky baby?

 

[melon]

more and more people today feel the need to make excuses for the same things that occured when they were kids.

in the 1950s kids played i'll show you mine if you show me yours. now they do it with their cell phones. nothing's really changed except for the technology.

in 1966 when a guy got ontop of a college clock tower and took out 16 people with a sniper rifle, it was because he had gone crazy. today it's because he played grand theft auto.

who knows. kids these days :shakesangryfist:

Gabrielle d'Estrées et une de ses soeurs (1594)

 

[Bono's shades]

I don't really care about the picture and whether or not *I* think it's artsy or no big deal or scandalous....what concerns me is that she is a minor and she is saying she did not want to be photographed like that and wished she never had. To me, that's what's sad and disturbing.

I agree. I don't think she has an obligation to be a role model for anyone, but the whole situation (she's a 15-year-old with stage parents who apparently have let the fact that she's bringing in tons of $ blind them to anything else) squicks me out. Maybe she felt comfortable with the photo at the time it was taken because the photographer and /or her parents, handlers, etc. assured her it was artsy or cool or whatever, but then she felt ashamed when the photo hit the presses and everyone started talking about how sexy and provacative they think it is. I feel really bad for her.

 

[corianderstem]

I still believe they knew EXACTLY what would happen by doing this photoshoot. They can't be that stupid to think that no one would make a big deal out of it.

 

[Cin]

Gabrielle d'Estrées et une de ses soeurs (1594)

tuning in radio Tokyo?

 

[Purplereign]

^^

Have to say I agree with corianderstem . . . the Cyrus family unit could not possibly be so naive, they knew what they were doing and why. As a mum of a huge Miley fan I have to say I'm pretty disappointed in the whole thing - context is everything, she is a child, Vanity Fair is a GROWN up magazine and NOT "Popstar" so, seriously . . . what were they thinking???

 

[Bono's shades]

^^

Have to say I agree with corianderstem . . . the Cyrus family unit could not possibly be so naive, they knew what they were doing and why. As a mum of a huge Miley fan I have to say I'm pretty disappointed in the whole thing - context is everything, she is a child, Vanity Fair is a GROWN up magazine and NOT "Popstar" so, seriously . . . what were they thinking???

I don't think it's naivetee exactly. Like I said earlier, her parents are probably so caught up in the whole fame whirwind (which must be pretty intoxicating for Billy Ray, since he saw his own fame dry up pretty quickly after his 15 minutes were up in the early '90s) that they aren't thinking rationally.

 

[Irvine511]

I don't think it's naivetee exactly. Like I said earlier, her parents are probably so caught up in the whole fame whirwind (which must be pretty intoxicating for Billy Ray, since he saw his own fame dry up pretty quickly after his 15 minutes were up in the early '90s) that they aren't thinking rationally.

i think her parents have made a fortune off of her squeaky clean image -- like all the Disney teen stars -- and now they're paying the price for soiling that image just a little bit.

they know she's going to eventually have to transition from teen start to adult star, and sadly that usually means sexing yourself up -- see Britney, xTina, etc. -- and it seems they jumped the gun here.

it's all to do with money and very little to do with innocence, or not.

 

[deep]

i think her parents have made a fortune off of her squeaky clean image -- like all the Disney teen stars -- and now they're paying the price for soiling that image just a little bit.

they know she's going to eventually have to transition from teen start to adult star, and sadly that usually means sexing yourself up -- see Britney, xTina, etc. -- and it seems they jumped the gun here.

it's all to do with money and very little to do with innocence, or not.

i agree

and again

all this is a huge over reaction

the remarks I read tell me more about "the person" that is saying them

than anything about the picture itself

 

[Purplereign]

^^ but again its all to do with context.

If you are going to market yourself as the epitome of all thats squeaky clean / anti britany or whatever you have to expect some level of backlash certainly.

Growing up in the public eye could never be an easy thing but I don't think you necessarily have to 'sex yourself up' in order to 'grow up'. And whoever said that its' a shame that Miley herself is now uncomfortable with the whole shoot speaks volumes - this level of attention could be devastating for her and just hope that her parents open their eyes a little wider and learn from this one

 

[Irvine511]

Growing up in the public eye could never be an easy thing but I don't think you necessarily have to 'sex yourself up' in order to 'grow up'.

but the unimaginative network suits at Disney and other various companies who are making millions -- billions? -- off this girl believe that female stars must become sexy in order to grow up. they will point to other "girls" who took off their clothes to become "women" and maintained their record sales as proof that this is the right way to handle one's career. it's been successful before, so it should work here as well, right?

when all you're worried about is the bottom line, and lots has been invested in Hannah Montana, Inc., and lots has been made, then you do whatever is necessary to protect the brand, while enabling it to grow with a shifting demographic.

Ms. Cyrus is absolutely no different than a soft drink. she's a commodity to be bought and sold in order to make a profit, and as her core audience starts to change -- as her 10 year olds become 14 year olds -- this product is going to have to change in order to meet the new needs of this particular demographic, all while maintaining brand identity.

And whoever said that its' a shame that Miley herself is now uncomfortable with the whole shoot speaks volumes - this level of attention could be devastating for her and just hope that her parents open their eyes a little wider and learn from this one

all damage control. like apologizing for New Coke.

 

[Purplereign]

^^ Sadly I know you're right - the cynic in me is pretty convinced that it is all just marketing and 'damage control' and thats what I mean when I say I'm disappointed. Disappointed that the photo's (which I still believe are inappropriately sexy for a 15 year old girl no matter her career choices) have been taken and disappointed that the marketing spin is all about making more moolah for all involved - leaves a bad taste

 

[Got Philk?]

What bugs me is that a kid can't stay a kid anymore.

among other things...

 

[Bono's shades]

Ms. Cyrus is absolutely no different than a soft drink. she's a commodity to be bought and sold in order to make a profit, and as her core audience starts to change -- as her 10 year olds become 14 year olds -- this product is going to have to change in order to meet the new needs of this particular demographic, all while maintaining brand identity.

Sadly, I think you may be right. What a sick thing to do, to treat your own child like a product to be marketed.