Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed

[coemgen]

Originally posted by DaveC


"Faith" does not equal "belief" to you? Can I see the dictionary you've been using, it's different than all the ones I've ever seen. :scratch.



I don't know whether to laugh, make fun of you, or feel sorry for you here.

I think I'll laugh, and hope (please, please, please) that you were being sarcastic.

Dictionary.com has the following definition of Judeo-Christian:

"of or pertaining to the religious writings, beliefs, values, or traditions held in common by Judaism and Christianity."

So, we're talking someone who would believe both the Old and New Testaments. Stein is Jewish, and therefore doesn't accept the New Testament.

Are you still laughing?

[DaveC]

Originally posted by coemgen


Dictionary.com has the following definition of Judeo-Christian:

"of or pertaining to the religious writings, beliefs, values, or traditions held in common by Judaism and Christianity."

So, we're talking someone who would believe both the Old and New Testaments. Stein is Jewish, and therefore doesn't accept the New Testament.

Are you still laughing?

Yes. Except now I'm laughing AT you.

[coemgen]

Originally posted by anitram


Are you so naive to believe that the people pushing ID would welcome the Hindu myths of creation and destruction taught to their children?

No, I'm not. I'm saying I'd be up for everyone sharing their views though.

[coemgen]

Originally posted by DaveC


Yes. Except now I'm laughing AT you.

Why?

[coemgen]

Originally posted by DaveC


When has anyone with half a brain ever said that "Darwinism" (which is a foolish term invented by religious-types who are trying to make it seem like it's blind faith on the level of religious belief to discredit the science behind it) has to explain gravity, or thermodynamics, or physics? They all have their own scientific laws to govern them, which have nothing to do at all with evolutionary theory/natural selection.

OK, first off, why do you have to be so insulting? That's part of what the movie is getting at, and you're living up to it. Have a discussion, and drop the insults.

That said, Darwinism doesn't have to explain gravity, thermodynamics or physics. Stein didn't say that, and I'm not. The point is, it doesn't explain everything. When you piece stuff together, it's hard for many, many people to rationally accept that it's all just here by chance.

[DaveC]

Originally posted by coemgen


Why?

You posted the definition yourself and still got it wrong.

Pardon my French, but that's fuckin' hilarious.

[coemgen]

Let's hear your definition.

[DaveC]

Originally posted by coemgen

That said, Darwinism doesn't have to explain gravity, thermodynamics or physics. Stein didn't say that, and I'm not.

Originally posted by coemgen The point is, it doesn't explain everything.

This is getting really entertaining.

[DaveC]

Originally posted by coemgen
Let's hear your definition.

Let's just say there's a reason it's "Judeo-Christian" and not "Christian".

EDIT: Fuck it, I'll bite.

Judeo-Christian (or Judaeo-Christian, sometimes written as Judæo-Christian) is a term used to describe the body of concepts and values which are thought to be held in common by Judaism and adapted by Christianity, and typically considered by some (sometimes along with classical Greco-Roman civilization) a fundamental basis for Western legal codes and moral values. In particular, the term refers to the common Old Testament/Tanakh (which is a basis of both moral traditions, including particularly the Ten Commandments); and implies a common set of values present in the modern Western World. The term has been criticized by some for suggesting more commonality than may actually exist. (Compare with Ebionites and Judaizers.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judeo-christian

Judeo-Christian = Judaism & Christianity
Ben Stein = an adherent of Judaism
therefore,
Ben Stein = Judeo-Christian

But of course, now we're arguing a stupid point that really has little to do with the topic.

[coemgen]

Let's just say there's a reason it's "Judeo-CHRISTIAN," and not "Judeo."

You're digging your own grave with your logic here.

[DaveC]

Originally posted by coemgen
Let's just say there's a reason it's "Judeo-CHRISTIAN," and not "Judeo."

You're digging your own grave with your logic here.

This is getting ridiculous.

While it's entertaining, let's get back to the topic at hand, shall we?

[coemgen]

Originally posted by DaveC


Judeo-Christian = Judaism & Christianity
Ben Stein = an adherent of Judaism
therefore,
Ben Stein = Judeo-Christian

But of course, now we're arguing a stupid point that really has little to do with the topic.

This is horrible logic. He's Jewish. Judaism came before Christianity. Why would someone of the Jewish faith say they believe both Jewish and Christian traditions/texts, when they don't?

Yolland —*do you consider yourself a Judeo-Christian?

[coemgen]

Originally posted by DaveC


This is getting ridiculous.

While it's entertaining, let's get back to the topic at hand, shall we?

Agreed - as long as we can cut the insults and have a respectful conversation.

[DaveC]

Originally posted by coemgen


Agreed - as long as we can cut the insults and have a respectful conversation.

No promises (this is why I tend to avoid making replies in FYM), but I will try.

[coemgen]

Hey, understood.

Keep making replies here though. That's what it's all about — the discussion.

[DaveC]

I gotta admit I really want to hear yolland's answer.

[coemgen]

Me too.

A brilliant mind.

[DaveC]

I've got to go to bed.

Although you can be sure I'll be back tomorrow.

[coemgen]

Right on.

Have a good night.

[melon]

Originally posted by coemgen
Wait, we're supposed to accept a theory just because it's a common theory? So we check our brain at the door and ignore independent thought?

Scientific theory is not common theory. A scientific theory is declared one, due to overwhelming evidence. Before that, it is considered a scientific hypothesis, which would be what non-scientific folk would consider a "common theory." Even then, there is some mathematical or logical basis that would establish a scientific hypothesis.

Too many people don't put faith in a theory. It doesn't answer everyone's questions, and many find holes in the theory. Why suppress other views? Isn't that what science has always fought against?

I'm sorry. This kind of statement just shows how completely lacking scientific education is in this country. This is probably why people think nothing of adding religious nonsense into science, when it is completely uncalled for, according to centuries of established scientific rules.