Shitty doctor, shitty human being...
Stay classy.
It should go without saying that one specific belief you find odious doesn't automatically make a person a shitty human being.
Shitty doctor, shitty human being...
Stay classy.
It should go without saying that one specific belief you find odious doesn't automatically make a person a shitty human being.
Stay classy.
It should go without saying that one specific belief you find odious doesn't automatically make a person a shitty human being.
There's a difference between saying that what the doctor did was shitty, and then calling that doctor a shitty human being, though.
I'm certainly not denying that what she did was shitty, because it was incredibly so. But I don't think that's enough to render a verdict on her soul, as it were. Especially since this is the only thing we know about this person.
I think my stance on gay rights is pretty well known in FYM, but I think the tendency to simply tear down and insult those who hold opposing viewpoints is unhelpful and tiresome.
I have some close family members who share pretty similar beliefs as this pediatrician. I find those beliefs shitty and am disappointed they hold them, but they're more than just those beliefs and, on balance, are not shitty human beings, just misguided and indoctrinated.
We could force people like this by law to treat the kid, but is that what we really want? I don't think this is the right path to take. It's incredibly sad that there are people who think like this, but if we're being real, we know there are. But we also know that punishing them isn't going to change their beliefs AND that there are now luckily plenty of people who start seeing gay people as normal human beings. So instead of punishing the ones refusing, perhaps we should just ignore them as their generation is going to die out eventually anyway, and focus on finding a good doctor for this baby that is in agreement with the parents' situation. That way the parents and doctor can develop a proper professional relationship, since that would not have been possible with this current doctor. I'm not justifying the behaviour at all, or saying we should ignore homophobic behaviour. Not at all. But I think that forcing people to do things against their beliefs makes us just as bad as refusing to do things for people because of your beliefs.
In the US (...well some places in the US) there are equal protection laws in order to make sure this sort of situation doesn't happen. If someone is running a business that serves the public then they have an obligation not to discriminate based on race, religion, sexual orientation, etc. If this lady was the only pediatrician in town, then her parents wouldn't be able to get medical care for their child based on the bigoted beliefs of the pediatrician, which could be deadly to the child. If you have a business that is open to the public you should be required not to discriminate.
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Yes but that's exactly the point. She wasn't the only pediatrician in town, so she can't be forced by law.
Yes but that's exactly the point. She wasn't the only pediatrician in town, so she can't be forced by law.
And if she was? That's why there should be non-discrimination laws. If you own a business, you should be required to serve the public regardless of personal biases towards a person's innate characteristics.
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There's sometimes a reason for being allowed to refuse service, though.
Actually no. You should not be 'required' if you own a business.
BUT the medical industry is something different.
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So if there's one grocery store in town and they refuse service to someone because they're LGBTQ, then what is that person supposed to do?
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A monopoly is something different.
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What they've been doing, saying something about it. People will stop shopping there, spreading the bad press, etc.
Okay, what if there are no places in town that will serve them?
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So if there's one grocery store in town and they refuse service to someone because they're LGBTQ, then what is that person supposed to do?
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I think it depends on the business or service. My issue was with your wording "to be required", I'm all for nondiscriminatory laws, but I also believe in a business' right to refuse service. For example if I'm a tshirt maker I want the right to refuse my services to the Westboro Church or the KKK.
Or gay people?
I think it depends on the business or service. My issue was with your wording "to be required", I'm all for nondiscriminatory laws, but I also believe in a business' right to refuse service. For example if I'm a tshirt maker I want the right to refuse my services to the Westboro Church or the KKK.
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