martha
Blue Crack Supplier
My dad has a hard enough time explaining voting for Nixon.
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I can't even believe we have Trump supporters on this forum. Espousing Trumpist views probably would have got you banned a decade ago, and now this vileness is part of mainstream political discourse?
You're remembering a different FYM than the one I remember. I remember quite a few beliefs that I found vile that were allowed to stand. Some of the most vile were allowed to stand longer than I would've liked, and I'm certainly not claiming that moderation since I came on board has been a marked improvement or anywhere approaching ideal, but there is value in engaging with points of view you disagree with rather than banning them outright.
I will note that the self-proclaimed Trumpers here seem to be awfully quiet when it comes to expressing support for and/or defending his more controversial statements/proposals (of which there are many). Whether that speaks to their reticence to be perceived as racists/bigots/xenophobes/sexists or rather to their tacit acknowledgement that Trump has gone too far in some regards, or something else entirely I can't say, but it is curious that their support doesn't seem to extend to defending his actual stances.
Speaking of manipulating people with either exaggerated or false portraits of people and events... check your math there, buddy.Do you believe half of the American people belong in a basket of deplorables?
One should be afraid, afraid of how easily it is to be manipulated be left leaning press that paint either exaggerated or false portraits of people and events that can easily be believed. Do you believe half of the American people belong in a basket of deplorables?
Let the record reflect that on the day of the first debate trump was either even in the polls, or even slightly ahead.
when this election moves on and if Clinton does indeed win by a decent margin let us not forget that if it were not for Bernie Sanders pressing her, and all those one on one debates, where she got to get some good practice in, she probably never would've won the election.
So a big thank you to Bernie Sanders if indeed we do have a president Hillary.
So hey peeps, what'd I miss? Live in England yada yada fell asleep before the shit show.
What I learned:
A. Hillary's book is available to buy at bookstores or perhaps an airport near me.
2. Donald has property everywhere.
Third. We're fucked as a nation regardless of the outcome Nov 8
Nobody who calls themselves a progressive should have your views on race, either. Alas. You do, and you do.Same here. Day One. And I never believed there were WMDs. But I'm a liberal, so that shouldn't be surprising. Nobody who supported that travesty can call themselves a Progressive. Fact.
. Do you believe half of the American people belong in a basket of deplorables?
I mean... he knows that terrific airport in Dubai he was raving about was built with slave labor, right? Right?Fuckin airports.
Trump gets 90 minutes and he's bitching about our "third world" airports being worse than Qatar's. How out of touch.
Nobody who calls themselves a progressive should have your views on race, either. Alas. You do, and you do.
I would like to point out that neither of these things are facts.
But you often being too literal; fact.
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I'm a libteral. It's a special kind of liberal.
You might not understand.
I'm concerned that Trump was visibly sick during this debate, frequently sniffling, audibly hoarse.
Can we elect such a sickly man to the highest office in this great land?
Why was he not more transparent about his illness?
What else is he hiding?
This argument (which I've been back and forth about supporting) rests on a couple of ideas. First and foremost it's that, while she's not an outright reckless xenophobe like Trump, her foreign policy stances are nonetheless concerning. It seems to be a matter of the official record now that one of her biggest frustrations with Obama while she was SoS was that he was not aggressive enough in his foreign policy. I think there is a a very legitimate argument that in this tumultuous time she'd tend to be a little more aggressive than Obama, and that's concerning. We discussed in another thread about the moral uncertainty behind drone strikes and that it is simultaneously concerning while also at times the only option. It's a tough spot, but it's there.I don't understand how you truly believe we'd be as fucked with Clinton as president. I understand you don't care for her, but you really think she would be as bad a president as Trump?
My God I hope so. I've been obsessing about the cabinet appointments he'd make, especially the Department of the Interior, which oversees the NPS, which handles my beloved Grand Canyon. I can't even think about it without getting worked up.
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This argument (which I've been back and forth about supporting) rests on a couple of ideas. First and foremost it's that, while she's not an outright reckless xenophobe like Trump, her foreign policy stances are nonetheless concerning. It seems to be a matter of the official record now that one of her biggest frustrations with Obama while she was SoS was that he was not aggressive enough in his foreign policy. I think there is a a very legitimate argument that in this tumultuous time she'd tend to be a little more aggressive than Obama, and that's concerning. We discussed in another thread about the moral uncertainty behind drone strikes and that it is simultaneously concerning while also at times the only option. It's a tough spot, but it's there.
The second is that she's further to the middle/right than Obama (who is not particularly far left in the first place) on a number of key issues, especially related to the economy. And one of her big talking points is how good she is politically, how she is savvy, how she wants to work with Republicans, and the way one obviously we go about that would be to "meet in the middle on these issues." This is concerning when the middle is between a centrist and a large group of right-wingers.
The comforting thing is that she'll have control of at least one and possible three Supreme Court nominations. And she's not going to allow Congress to roll back some of the things that Obama accomplished, especially in regards to women's rights and gay rights. But that's about it.