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It's nice they're finally getting all the singles and b-sides on streaming, but boy has it taken a long time. The limited-edition t-shirt is pretty nice. Merch is where bands make their money these days given how little physical music is sold so its the norm.
I mean... it's U2. They're not a startup. It's pretty crass. And the quality of their shirts are pretty much junk anyway so it's a double insult. My JTree 2017 tour shirt didn't last more than a couple of washes. Really lame for the $45 it cost.

I also bought a pair of those $125 fly shades and holy CRAP are they cheap junk. Feels like they'd break just looking at them. And they're a good bit smaller than the actual Fly Shades I ordered back from the fan club 25 years ago or so. Really insulting merch from them lately.

The remixes are nice though. I remember listening to all of these when they came out.
 
the Fly Shades are actually the exact ones that Bono wears. some dude bought the rights to them and started his own company making them. U2.com gets them from him.

the shirts shirking after a couple of washes is pretty fucking annoying though. don't they realize that their fan base are all older and not getting smaller? jeez louise.

the shitty part is that the shirts are actually "quality" when it comes to the t-shirt world.

i call for dri-fit concert t-shirts. they don't shrink and better hide flop sweat.
 
U2 Love and only love....pffff...
First I thought it could be a collection of demos and alternative versions. But ..of course it's again nothing exciting.

Just a digital completation, nothing less, nothing more. Not exciting at all about these releases. Nice I can stream them now, but everything was available.

I keep saying they could do much better if it comes to releasing. And by that I mean material that never saw the light of day. Demos, not released live recordings or a 5.1/atmos mix for POP. That would get me excited again. I can't remember the last time I was excited about a release.
 
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the Fly Shades are actually the exact ones that Bono wears. some dude bought the rights to them and started his own company making them. U2.com gets them from him.

edit: Ok so cleaning up this multi-edited post of mine lol.

It appears that U2.com was selling the Viking model which is smaller than the original 1991 model. Theflyshades.com does offer the Spartan which IS based on the original size. I wish that was the one U2.com had offered... I mean why offer the smaller non-OG version? Oh well.

And it appears Bono did wear both versions after night one (with only wearing Spartans on night one). Going back and forth (I didn't make it to the shows so not sure why he switched?).

Also I don't like the folding design. I believe the original from the thrift shop (as well as the 90s fan club offering I have) are single pieces of plastic. That's kind of neither here nor there, but not having the hinge is a cooler design.
 
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Wash your concert tees inside out, cold, Woolite (or Woolite Dark), hang to dry. Bootleg tees should go in a garment bag to protect the likely crap print job. One short medium heat dryer cycle every so often if the neck starts to get misshapen.

Sincerely,
Tonedeaf Micelli
 
Wash your concert tees inside out, cold, Woolite (or Woolite Dark), hang to dry. Bootleg tees should go in a garment bag to protect the likely crap print job. One short medium heat dryer cycle every so often if the neck starts to get misshapen.

Sincerely,
Tonedeaf Micelli
t-shirts that require such delicate care suck. I have plenty of graphic non-concert tees that have lasted decades with minimal wear.

Hell my U2 Slane shirt from 2001 lasted until just last year before finally getting a few holes here and there...nothing to do with the graphic. I mean there's just no need for the crap quality other than max capitalism. It's frustrating from a band like U2.

Back to the singles - I think the Howie/Hairy B was always my favorite mix. Just love that intro.

"BIG... BIG BLACK...HOLE!"
 
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Wash your concert tees inside out, cold, Woolite (or Woolite Dark), hang to dry. Bootleg tees should go in a garment bag to protect the likely crap print job. One short medium heat dryer cycle every so often if the neck starts to get misshapen.

Sincerely,
Tonedeaf Micelli

and what should one do... hypothetically speaking of course... if, say, your wife overloads the washer on cold and for some strange reason refuses to use fabric softener, and your shirt happens to be dirty when it's her turn to do the laundry?

asking, uh, for a friend. hypothetical friend. yea. that's it.
 
and what should one do... hypothetically speaking of course... if, say, your wife overloads the washer on cold and for some strange reason refuses to use fabric softener, and your shirt happens to be dirty when it's her turn to do the laundry?

asking, uh, for a friend. hypothetical friend. yea. that's it.
Your friend should separate his or her concert tees and wash them cold under cover of darkness.

And never speak of this again.
 
U2 Love and only love....pffff...
First I thought it could be a collection of demos and alternative versions. But ..of course it's again nothing exciting.

Just a digital completation, nothing less, nothing more. Not exciting at all about these releases. Nice I can stream them now, but everything was available.

I keep saying they could do much better if it comes to releasing. And by that I mean material that never saw the light of day. Demos, not released live recordings or a 5.1/atmos mix for POP. That would get me excited again. I can't remember the last time I was excited about a release.

I think its a great move, there's a lot hidden gems in there that aren't available for streaming and it just makes them easily accessible. Particularly interesting are the b-sides from the Pop singles that haven't been available (the superior single mix of Please is something to look forward to, something I don't own a copy of).

Looking forward to editing playlists with these in it!
 
I'm listening to Surrender on Spotify and just got to the Pop chapter. I mean I knew they weren't really fond of it but man Bono just sounds so bummed talking about it. We def aren't getting any support tour.
 
I think its a great move, there's a lot hidden gems in there that aren't available for streaming and it just makes them easily accessible. Particularly interesting are the b-sides from the Pop singles that haven't been available (the superior single mix of Please is something to look forward to, something I don't own a copy of).

Looking forward to editing playlists with these in it!
Well, nice it's a great move for you. Especially for the streaming generation. For me personally, I've got the whole collection, there's nothing exciting. I still use cd/dvd/bluray to get the best possible sound. So a hd-mastering with physical releases would impress me. The AB-atmos mix was almost perfect news for me, except the fact they didn"t decide to release it on bluray too. That would've been groundbreaking.

But again, nice for the streaming fans.
 
Back to the singles - I think the Howie/Hairy B was always my favorite mix. Just love that intro.

"BIG... BIG BLACK...HOLE!"
Yeah, it's great. Given that parts of the album began with Howie B playing them loops as starting points for songs, I've often wondered whether this mix is a glimpse into that process. Bono's vocal is whole other level Bongolese.

The single and remixes really take me back. I remember when it dropped and I immediately went to Borders Book store and bought it. Played it for my dad who was a diehard U2 fan until Pop....he was lukewarm to the single, and then never got into the album.

But I listened to those damn remixes every day until the album came out in March. Then recording all of their albums onto cassette so I could listen in the car.
Pop was my intro to U2 - and I came to it as a teenager who was into the electronica of the mid-90s. For me, the remixes from that era were a significant part of falling in love with the band. I remember subscribing to Propaganda and the first issue I received had a letter from someone describing how much they hated the Discotheque mixes ('like a metal band running through my head', or something - it stuck with me). But, me? I was hooked.
 
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I’m a long way behind… are people really complaining about them putting out their b sides? Continuing something they started 18 months ago? Songs not available on streaming? What the actual fuck, you guys. Some people just don’t feel important if they aren’t complaining about u2 on the internet
 
I’m a long way behind… are people really complaining about them putting out their b sides? Continuing something they started 18 months ago? Songs not available on streaming? What the actual fuck, you guys. Some people just don’t feel important if they aren’t complaining about u2 on the internet
I was somewhat surprised at this too!

As said above, the Pop singles are gold dust and having easy access to this when you have none of the singles is brilliant (Pop was well before my time), especially if you are into the 90s electronica at the time. To mainstream listeners, delving into all their influences around this time gives people a better sense of what they were trying to do, and the remixes drive that point home further.

Am argument could be they didn't push it enough; maybe it's not as experimental and electronic focused for the underground listener, and it ain't mainstream enough for the casual listener. Perhaps its stuck between a rock and a hard place. But the album is a fascinating experiment nonetheless. For all its flaws, it's very much a 'what if' album in the vein of No Line, albums that you can come back to and see the germinations of a bonafide brilliant album.

Both albums lack that unifying smash hit single, and both lack cohesion. But whereas No Line suffers from self-sabotage with the inclusion of the 'terrible trio' in the middle, Pop's flaws are not as obvious. For me personally, there's no terrible track on Pop but I think similarly to No Line, it falls down when it tries to be mainstream. For example, Staring At The Sun is a fine track but it doesn't feel in keeping with the concept of that album. The dark and sinister characteristics of the more electro influenced and restrained songs in the last third is interrupted by a typical sounding U2 song. You get away with that break in mood if its a blinding smash hit but this one isn't quite there, and sometimes that's why the mood trip that album is supposed to be doesn't deliver with as much conviction as it should.

As I say, in isolation, good track but it's probably an album that should just maintain that moodiness all the way through.
 
I was somewhat surprised at this too!

As said above, the Pop singles are gold dust and having easy access to this when you have none of the singles is brilliant (Pop was well before my time), especially if you are into the 90s electronica at the time. To mainstream listeners, delving into all their influences around this time gives people a better sense of what they were trying to do, and the remixes drive that point home further.

Am argument could be they didn't push it enough; maybe it's not as experimental and electronic focused for the underground listener, and it ain't mainstream enough for the casual listener. Perhaps its stuck between a rock and a hard place. But the album is a fascinating experiment nonetheless. For all its flaws, it's very much a 'what if' album in the vein of No Line, albums that you can come back to and see the germinations of a bonafide brilliant album.

Both albums lack that unifying smash hit single, and both lack cohesion. But whereas No Line suffers from self-sabotage with the inclusion of the 'terrible trio' in the middle, Pop's flaws are not as obvious. For me personally, there's no terrible track on Pop but I think similarly to No Line, it falls down when it tries to be mainstream. For example, Staring At The Sun is a fine track but it doesn't feel in keeping with the concept of that album. The dark and sinister characteristics of the more electro influenced and restrained songs in the last third is interrupted by a typical sounding U2 song. You get away with that break in mood if its a blinding smash hit but this one isn't quite there, and sometimes that's why the mood trip that album is supposed to be doesn't deliver with as much conviction as it should.

As I say, in isolation, good track but it's probably an album that should just maintain that moodiness all the way through.
I think it's pretty simple. Discotheque. The video that accompanied it. Bypassing Gone, Do You Feel Loved, Staring at the Sun and Last Night On Earth which all would have made excellent first singles. Disco is a great album cut. It was first impressions that hobbled POP from the start. Still the album I listen to the most. Truly extraordinary. I think POP has amazing cohesion. No Line did not. But it was wasted because they got a bit too high on the horse and thought they could push it a little too far, and it bit them in the ass.
 
I miss those days of hearing singles being announced and wondering what those new songs on the b-sides would be like. Even the occasional remix, but as time went on they took the place of original songs.
 
I think it's pretty simple. Discotheque. The video that accompanied it. Bypassing Gone, Do You Feel Loved, Staring at the Sun and Last Night On Earth which all would have made excellent first singles. Disco is a great album cut. It was first impressions that hobbled POP from the start. Still the album I listen to the most. Truly extraordinary. I think POP has amazing cohesion. No Line did not. But it was wasted because they got a bit too high on the horse and thought they could push it a little too far, and it bit them in the ass.
I actually thought Discotheque was a fine first single, but actually would have preferred MOFO more. I feel like that would have gotten more people talking. But overall, there wasn’t really a single of that album that could hold up against the singles from Achtung Baby. And that hurt the album. Personally, I don’t care. It’s one of my top albums of there’s.
 
All i seem to remember people saying about U2 when Pop came out was “U2 going all electronica” as a negative. People were still holding out on guitar / pop songs and didn’t want to let go of that view or image.

I loved the album. It’s still my favorite album of all time. It’s not their best, but it’s my favorite by long shot. Last album I’d ever want to hear before the dark void

I loved them pushing the boundaries and the sounds Edge could come up with. I also thought it was Larry and Adam’s best album. I’d listen to that album only focusing on each persons playing.

Then the live shows and seeing the songs transform. Specifically Last Night and Please

Of course now that U2 have gone into the pop / Beatles style of song writing people loathe it haha
 
I actually thought Discotheque was a fine first single, but actually would have preferred MOFO more. I feel like that would have gotten more people talking. But overall, there wasn’t really a single of that album that could hold up against the singles from Achtung Baby. And that hurt the album. Personally, I don’t care. It’s one of my top albums of there’s.

Think Discotheque was a perfect lead single. Had the grooves and style they were going for. Mofo would have been a statement of intent.

Definitely agree that there wasn't any unifying smash hit on that album, and a more mainstream choice for single wouldn't have made any difference at all.
 
Think Discotheque was a perfect lead single. Had the grooves and style they were going for. Mofo would have been a statement of intent.

Definitely agree that there wasn't any unifying smash hit on that album, and a more mainstream choice for single wouldn't have made any difference at all.
It seems naïve to say it wouldn't have made a difference at all. Once you invite backlash, it can snowball. The combination of the song title, the dance elements, and the video (to say nothing of the tour announcement at K-Mart) just made the whole album and era a no sale for some people.

Personally, I've always felt Last Night on Earth would have been a more inviting introduction to the album (assuming it had a less weird music video as well). It's a rocker but it has certain elements that show a continuation from Zooropa's modern/electronic sounds. And it's not a fake-out in terms of what most of the album sounds like. Discotheque is actually more misleading, IMO. As ballsy a move as releasing Mofo would have been, they already did that with Numb and didn't need to throw down the gauntlet again.
 
Another thing about Pop, and this is anecdotal, is that a lot of people I knew back then, granted they were in high school or early college, thought the album was cool, but thought the Joshua Tree was much cooler, and I was fielding a lot of comments about the band being weird, and they wished they were more like they were 10 years ago. I really do believe that in the public eye, their experimental phase wore out a bit. It also didn't help that they kind of came in late to the whole electronic rock party. You already had groups like The Prodigy, Chemical Brothers, etc.
 
you had rumors that U2 were putting out a dance album, and then they released a song called discotheque that featured a video of a giant disco ball and the band doing an air hump dance dressed as the village people.

it didn't matter that discotheque isn't a dance record at all. the perception did the damage.

toss in an under rehearsed but over hyped first show of the tour and a boring ass ABC special, and you created a snowball effect that they couldn't get out of the way of. by the time the tour really hit full speed, it was too late - at least for the US market.
 
you had rumors that U2 were putting out a dance album, and then they released a song called discotheque that featured a video of a giant disco ball and the band doing an air hump dance dressed as the village people.

it didn't matter that discotheque isn't a dance record at all. the perception did the damage.

toss in an under rehearsed but over hyped first show of the tour and a boring ass ABC special, and you created a snowball effect that they couldn't get out of the way of. by the time the tour really hit full speed, it was too late - at least for the US market.
I still think that above all that, "POP" didn't have a hit single, and I really don't think it matters which song they pushed first. There was no "One" or "WOWY"
 
1997 was also a weird time for popular music, at least in the US. Hip hop/rap was huge, ska was popular, boy bands were becoming big and most 80’s bands had all fallen out of favor. REM and Depeche Mode saw similar declines in popularity. There may have not been any song that U2 could have released in ‘97 that would have been a hit. I was honestly pretty shocked that Beautiful Day ended up being so big in 2000. I had written off U2 ever having another hit by that point
 
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I still think that above all that, "POP" didn't have a hit single, and I really don't think it matters which song they pushed first. There was no "One" or "WOWY"
Zooropa went triple platinum in the USA alone and didn’t have a hit single. Pop sold 1/3 of that, if memory serves.

Yes, you need a big crossover track if you want your album have staying power on the charts and to do as well as JT or AB. But your lead single determines who beyond the die-hards is gonna buy the album right when it’s released. And something other than Discotheque would have changed that number.
 
Zooropa went triple platinum in the USA alone and didn’t have a hit single. Pop sold 1/3 of that, if memory serves.

Yes, you need a big crossover track if you want your album have staying power on the charts and to do as well as JT or AB. But your lead single determines who beyond the die-hards is gonna buy the album right when it’s released. And something other than Discotheque would have changed that number.
Yeah, Zooropa came at a time where the band was on a roll, had several big songs off of Achtung, and then the huge tour. The gap between Zooropa and Pop kind of killed that momentum. The music industry was so fast moving and rock music changed a lot in those 4 years. I just don't see 1 song off of POP that would have changed that album's fortunes.

And I am saying this as someone who thinks very highly of POP.
 
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