Vlad n U 2
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I hope Geelong give Collingwood a ten goal thumping next Saturday. 
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can i get a FUCK YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH for the pies.
that was a great game .
now danny prepare for the burrrrrrrrrrrrrrrn
that was a great game .
now danny prepare for the burrrrrrrrrrrrrrrn
cobl04
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not happy the pies won 
but why change it just because a few people who feel occasionally that they need to have a say on something say it would be good?
the crowd is max every year, even when there aren't victorian sides playing
it is one of (if not the) highest rating event on television
if it ain't broke don't fix it.
but why change it just because a few people who feel occasionally that they need to have a say on something say it would be good?
the crowd is max every year, even when there aren't victorian sides playing
it is one of (if not the) highest rating event on television
if it ain't broke don't fix it.
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Straight sets eh?
Oh Man, that was the best game I have ever been to. I still thought we could get close, but I didn't think we'd win. Spent all out petrol tickets by 3 quarter time.....wowzer. Still would have been in my top 3-5 games if we lost...just for the atmosphere! I was sitting opposite a husband and wife pair of Crows supporters, who were asking me how long to go after Anthony had the shot for goal (I was listening to MMM) Told them 20 seconds. Shook hands with them after the siren, nither side deserved to lose. I was overjoyed to see the win....and i know in the grand scheme of the season, it means nothing if we lose next week....but man oh man. I FINALLY GET TO SEE A WIN IN '09!
All Said and done, If we fall behind Geelong by six goals next week, there ain't no comin' back from there!
Oh Man, that was the best game I have ever been to. I still thought we could get close, but I didn't think we'd win. Spent all out petrol tickets by 3 quarter time.....wowzer. Still would have been in my top 3-5 games if we lost...just for the atmosphere! I was sitting opposite a husband and wife pair of Crows supporters, who were asking me how long to go after Anthony had the shot for goal (I was listening to MMM) Told them 20 seconds. Shook hands with them after the siren, nither side deserved to lose. I was overjoyed to see the win....and i know in the grand scheme of the season, it means nothing if we lose next week....but man oh man. I FINALLY GET TO SEE A WIN IN '09!
All Said and done, If we fall behind Geelong by six goals next week, there ain't no comin' back from there!
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Glad you and the Crows fans got along, Daniel. My cousin and her husband drove from Mt. Gambier to go to the game, so they'd be pretty damn shattered, but wow, it was fun to watch. At the time I was all OH FUCK YOU EDDIE GODDAMN BRIBERY SHIT MERCHANT FUCK, but now I'm just happy because Geelong will beat your boys next week, and all will be right with the world.
As for the GF... I like night games, but I don't know, there's just something really special about the GF day, having lunch while watching the dodgy pre-game performances, and going out to celebrate or drown your sorrows after the game is over with a big, uninterrupted night. Still, I wouldn't mind if they tried a night game sometime. I'd sooner rather see a GF played at a stadium other than the MCG if, say, Freo and West Coast or Port and Crows (or even Brisbane and GC) were the teams that got into the granny, though. Just need bigger stadiums in the respective states.
But really, all I want for the GF to offer is better pre-game shows and an Eagles appearance within the next few years.
As for the GF... I like night games, but I don't know, there's just something really special about the GF day, having lunch while watching the dodgy pre-game performances, and going out to celebrate or drown your sorrows after the game is over with a big, uninterrupted night. Still, I wouldn't mind if they tried a night game sometime. I'd sooner rather see a GF played at a stadium other than the MCG if, say, Freo and West Coast or Port and Crows (or even Brisbane and GC) were the teams that got into the granny, though. Just need bigger stadiums in the respective states.
But really, all I want for the GF to offer is better pre-game shows and an Eagles appearance within the next few years.
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We'll see.....Pies will be up and about, Cats with a few back from Injuries, on Paper, Cats should get up. But I'm hopeful.
It seems to me all the arguments to keep the grand final during the day are "because I like it that way". And all the arguments to move it to the night are "because I would like it that way".
Also, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" is a lazy argument that can easily be turned around to "if it ain't broke, see if you can make it better".
I really don't care either way, and I'm highly amused that people get so worked up about this. But if I were scheduling the game, I'd schedule it at night, since I think sport's better at night (I like the consistent lighting for one thing) and the time just works better in my view. I'm not scheduling it, though, and if they never move it from the arvo, I couldn't give a shit.
I DO, however, think the grand final should not be tied to the MCG, and especially if both finalists are non-Victorian teams, it's downright absurd to play it in Victoria.
Also, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" is a lazy argument that can easily be turned around to "if it ain't broke, see if you can make it better".
I really don't care either way, and I'm highly amused that people get so worked up about this. But if I were scheduling the game, I'd schedule it at night, since I think sport's better at night (I like the consistent lighting for one thing) and the time just works better in my view. I'm not scheduling it, though, and if they never move it from the arvo, I couldn't give a shit.
I DO, however, think the grand final should not be tied to the MCG, and especially if both finalists are non-Victorian teams, it's downright absurd to play it in Victoria.
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I'll take a night Grand Final at the MCG, but I wouldn't be happy with a grand final outside the MCG.
40 odd thousand to watch the Lions host a Grand Final? That's the one thing that should never change, the grand final should always be the G.
40 odd thousand to watch the Lions host a Grand Final? That's the one thing that should never change, the grand final should always be the G.
cobl04
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I know people whinge about traditionalism and my traditionalism but I personally think it is a good reason not to change 100 odd years of Saturday afternoon grand finals.
It's a routine, people get up in the morning, get ready, get all the food ready, drive to the location of the party at noon or whatever, get down to the TAB, watch all the pre game stuff, and the kids can run a muck playing footy, and then you've got the entire night to drink and celebrate or down sorrows.
And while yes it may seem to ridiculous to have two interstate sides playing at the 'G it was obvious from the Sydney/West Coast & Port/Bris grand finals that they were no less engrossing than Victorian grand finals, people still got on board, the attendances were still mammoth. You couldn't play it elsewhere either; it has to be a neutral ground. If you're good enough you'll win it regardless. Brisbane beat Essendon, Collingwood and Collingwood in 01, 02, 03.
It's a routine, people get up in the morning, get ready, get all the food ready, drive to the location of the party at noon or whatever, get down to the TAB, watch all the pre game stuff, and the kids can run a muck playing footy, and then you've got the entire night to drink and celebrate or down sorrows.
And while yes it may seem to ridiculous to have two interstate sides playing at the 'G it was obvious from the Sydney/West Coast & Port/Bris grand finals that they were no less engrossing than Victorian grand finals, people still got on board, the attendances were still mammoth. You couldn't play it elsewhere either; it has to be a neutral ground. If you're good enough you'll win it regardless. Brisbane beat Essendon, Collingwood and Collingwood in 01, 02, 03.
Let's say, for argument's sake, both Port and Adelaide made the grand final. If that were held in Melbourne rather than Adelaide, that would be silly.
I also don't buy this argument of how any hypothetical interstate venue would have to be the size of the G. Plenty of tournaments worldwide cope just fine with having the final at the highest ranked finalist's home ground regardless of size. If anything, this seems like a real earner for the AFL: if the final's at the 'Gabba, law of supply and demand will send ticket prices through the roof due to the scarcity of supply. Given how money-grubbing the AFL can be lately, I'm stunned they haven't done this! Maybe they should play the final in Launceston and REALLY clean up!
And wait, Danny, why does it have to be a neutral ground? The MCG isn't a neutral ground for the majority of teams who could make it. (Anybody who thinks it doesn't count as a home game for a team ostensibly based at Etihad is fooling themselves.)
I also don't buy this argument of how any hypothetical interstate venue would have to be the size of the G. Plenty of tournaments worldwide cope just fine with having the final at the highest ranked finalist's home ground regardless of size. If anything, this seems like a real earner for the AFL: if the final's at the 'Gabba, law of supply and demand will send ticket prices through the roof due to the scarcity of supply. Given how money-grubbing the AFL can be lately, I'm stunned they haven't done this! Maybe they should play the final in Launceston and REALLY clean up!
And wait, Danny, why does it have to be a neutral ground? The MCG isn't a neutral ground for the majority of teams who could make it. (Anybody who thinks it doesn't count as a home game for a team ostensibly based at Etihad is fooling themselves.)
cobl04
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You can't really argue with that logic, but I don't think we will see a situation like that happen, not in the foreseeable future anyway.
The AFL I doubt would ever agree to moving it away from the MCG, it's the best ground for it in terms of atmosphere, and so on. I don't think it would feel like a grand final for a lot of people if it was held elsewhere, though Waverley hosted a number of grand finals.
Well with your example there of the grand final at the Gabba. Let's say Brisbane and Richmond make the grand final. Brisbane have an unfair home ground advantage, and whilst you can say it works the other way too I think home ground advantage at the 'G disappears on GF day.
i just hope it stays as is.
I remember when some idiots started suggesting that it would be good to introduce the nine pt goals in the regular season
The AFL I doubt would ever agree to moving it away from the MCG, it's the best ground for it in terms of atmosphere, and so on. I don't think it would feel like a grand final for a lot of people if it was held elsewhere, though Waverley hosted a number of grand finals.
Well with your example there of the grand final at the Gabba. Let's say Brisbane and Richmond make the grand final. Brisbane have an unfair home ground advantage, and whilst you can say it works the other way too I think home ground advantage at the 'G disappears on GF day.
i just hope it stays as is.I remember when some idiots started suggesting that it would be good to introduce the nine pt goals in the regular season
cobl04
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You can't really argue with that logic, but I don't think we will see a situation like that happen, not in the foreseeable future anyway.
The AFL I doubt would ever agree to moving it away from the MCG, it's the best ground for it in terms of atmosphere, and so on. I don't think it would feel like a grand final for a lot of people if it was held elsewhere, though Waverley hosted a number of grand finals.
Well with your example there of the grand final at the Gabba. Let's say Brisbane and Richmond make the grand final. Brisbane have an unfair home ground advantage, and whilst you can say it works the other way too I think home ground advantage at the 'G disappears on GF day.
i just hope it stays as is.
I remember when some idiots started suggesting that it would be good to introduce the nine pt goals in the regular season
The AFL I doubt would ever agree to moving it away from the MCG, it's the best ground for it in terms of atmosphere, and so on. I don't think it would feel like a grand final for a lot of people if it was held elsewhere, though Waverley hosted a number of grand finals.
Well with your example there of the grand final at the Gabba. Let's say Brisbane and Richmond make the grand final. Brisbane have an unfair home ground advantage, and whilst you can say it works the other way too I think home ground advantage at the 'G disappears on GF day.
i just hope it stays as is.I remember when some idiots started suggesting that it would be good to introduce the nine pt goals in the regular season
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I think the only way we can solve this problem is to build a 100,000 capacity stadium where the borders of SA, Victoria and NSW meet.
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In the middle of nowhere!
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sounds like waverley.
high-o!
high-o!
cobl04
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zing
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Anyone listening to the AA announcement? This is it so far:
B: Enright, Scarlett, Lake
HB: Goodwin, C. Bolton, Maxwell
C: Montagna, Hayes, J. Selwood
HF: Chapman, Riewoldt, Swan
F: Davis, Fevola, Brown
Foll: Sandilands, Judd, Ablett
thoughts when it's all said and done.
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Where the hell is the Porpoise? Even Davis hasn't been that good to warrant an AA selection.
Even Davis hasn't been that good to warrant an AA selection.
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LeCras totally misses out.
Not happy.
Davis pick just another reason to hate Collingwood.
Not happy.
Davis pick just another reason to hate Collingwood.
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Yeah, LeCras and Porplyzia should've replaced freaking Davis and Chapman. What a joke of a team.
How many goals did "Neon" Leon Davis kick this year? Not even 40? I'm appalled, and Dane Swan on the forward flank? Epic facepalm moment.
How many goals did "Neon" Leon Davis kick this year? Not even 40? I'm appalled, and Dane Swan on the forward flank? Epic facepalm moment.
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Davis kicked 38 I think, yeah. (lol no, 35. Lecca kicked 58).
Sure, you can't judge only from the amount of goals, even when it's a forward in question, but Porps and LeCras were both better anyway.
B: Enright, Scarlett, Lake
HB: Goodwin, C. Bolton, Maxwell
C: Montagna, Hayes, J. Selwood
HF: Chapman, Riewoldt, Swan
F: Davis, Fevola, Brown
Foll: Sandilands, Judd, Ablett
I/C: Boyd, Dal Santo, Goddard, Goodes
Sure, you can't judge only from the amount of goals, even when it's a forward in question, but Porps and LeCras were both better anyway.
B: Enright, Scarlett, Lake
HB: Goodwin, C. Bolton, Maxwell
C: Montagna, Hayes, J. Selwood
HF: Chapman, Riewoldt, Swan
F: Davis, Fevola, Brown
Foll: Sandilands, Judd, Ablett
I/C: Boyd, Dal Santo, Goddard, Goodes
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The Porpoise kicked 57 with one crappy shoulder. This team is becoming more of a joke. We got Goodwin, but even then he hasn't been that good to deserve a spot. Bernie Vince on the bench maybe?
Bolded are the interstate players:
B: Enright, Scarlett, Lake
HB: Goodwin, C. Bolton, Maxwell
C: Montagna, Hayes, J. Selwood
HF: Chapman, Riewoldt, Swan
F: Davis, Fevola, Brown
Foll: Sandilands, Judd, Ablett
I/C: Boyd, Dal Santo, Goddard, Goodes
Absolute garbage this. Especially when you have a man named Robert Walls on the panel.
Bolded are the interstate players:
B: Enright, Scarlett, Lake
HB: Goodwin, C. Bolton, Maxwell
C: Montagna, Hayes, J. Selwood
HF: Chapman, Riewoldt, Swan
F: Davis, Fevola, Brown
Foll: Sandilands, Judd, Ablett
I/C: Boyd, Dal Santo, Goddard, Goodes
Absolute garbage this. Especially when you have a man named Robert Walls on the panel.
bono_man2002
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Leon made the All Australian team? Thats pretty stupid.
Swan and Maxwell, maybe swap one for Presti would be in the 2 pies that I'd stick in the AA list.
Swan and Maxwell, maybe swap one for Presti would be in the 2 pies that I'd stick in the AA list.
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I'd swap Maxwell for Presti.
In other news, Shaun Burgoyne has asked to be traded to a Victorian club! I'm pretty happy because I won't have to put up with him in future showdowns!
In other news, Shaun Burgoyne has asked to be traded to a Victorian club! I'm pretty happy because I won't have to put up with him in future showdowns!
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Ax, the teams that win grand finals, win them anywhere. Adelaide 1998 are the perfect example.
I can't quite remember how the finals used to operate, but they finished 5th (I think this was back in the day of when you had to rely on other teams to lose, if you yourself lost, to stay in the 8....) Melbourne thumped the Crows in the first Quarter Final....that game was played at the MCG. 2nd week of September, They have to travel to Sydney, a side of finished top 4 that year, and smashed them. Prelim, they have to travel to melbourne, and run riot over Footscray. Another trip to Melbourne the following week to smash the Kangaroos in the final.
I know that's nothing to do with the whole Etihad thing, but point is, the Sainters or the Doggies are gonna be there in a fortnight...and I sure know where the hell they'd wanna be playing.....the mighty G. I'd reckon it would be the same if Adelaide, or the Lions we're still in the hunt as well.
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Tradition can be a tyrant sometimes, but not here.
I do agree that if we ever have a West Coast vs Fremantle or Adelaide vs Port Power! Grand Final, the match should be held at Subiaco or Football Park respectively. Common Sense prevailing.
The MCG did used to be properly neutral, aside from the fact that the Melbourne Demons played there; it was the VFL's Wembley. I just wish we could reverse the ongoing identity-theft of the Melbourne clubs so that the 'G could have been reserved for Finals and match of the week games, while the Victorian clubs could play at their own stadium. But I do have a tendancy to dwell in the past.
I find this idea that the MCG is neutral to be a load of codswallop, guys. If you have a Melbourne club playing an interstate club, it doesn't matter where that Melbourne club is actually based within the city, it inherently enjoys a home ground advantage at the G. Now, it may be a legendary venue and interstate footballers may aspire to play there and sure as hell have done well there in the past (I was at one of the grand finals the Lions won), but the balance is still tipped in favour of Melbourne teams.
Of course, as it stands, there has never been a truly interstate grand final, as there has always been at least one team with roots in Melbourne. Saw plenty of Fitzroy fans in 2003.
I reckon, though, that the final should be held at the home ground of the highest qualifying of the two finalists. Say West Coast or whoever finishes first in the regular season and makes the grand final to play some Melbourne team, it seems to me pretty unfair to give that lower-ranked Melbourne team a home ground advantage they didn't earn and don't deserve. That Melbourne team should have to travel to Subiaco. I don't see why the grand final should be special when all the other games in the finals are played at the home ground of whoever qualified higher.
Of course, as it stands, there has never been a truly interstate grand final, as there has always been at least one team with roots in Melbourne. Saw plenty of Fitzroy fans in 2003.
I reckon, though, that the final should be held at the home ground of the highest qualifying of the two finalists. Say West Coast or whoever finishes first in the regular season and makes the grand final to play some Melbourne team, it seems to me pretty unfair to give that lower-ranked Melbourne team a home ground advantage they didn't earn and don't deserve. That Melbourne team should have to travel to Subiaco. I don't see why the grand final should be special when all the other games in the finals are played at the home ground of whoever qualified higher.
cobl04
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Now hold on just a darn minute there! (Read with a Jimmy Stewart accent)
LeCras should have been in the team but there's no way Porpus should have made it over Chapman. Tippett is the special one at Adelaide, if Porpus was as good as you're making him out to be he should have kicked 70 goals.
Don't think Davis should have made it. Goddard and Goodwin should be swapped around, why Swan was selected as a forward we'll never know.
Great to see Enright get his just desserts.
Tradition can be a tyrant sometimes, but not here.
I do agree that if we ever have a West Coast vs Fremantle or Adelaide vs Port Power! Grand Final, the match should be held at Subiaco or Football Park respectively. Common Sense prevailing.
The MCG did used to be properly neutral, aside from the fact that the Melbourne Demons played there; it was the VFL's Wembley. I just wish we could reverse the ongoing identity-theft of the Melbourne clubs so that the 'G could have been reserved for Finals and match of the week games, while the Victorian clubs could play at their own stadium. But I do have a tendancy to dwell in the past.
I'm the same. It's still a shame that the nature of Melbourne football broke down. The names/suburbs really mean nothing now, apart from Geelong.You're a good debater Assver
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As I said before, both Subi and Footy Park would need to be redeveloped before even thinking about being GF material, or better still, new stadiums in WA and SA should be built (well, that's likely already under the way for soccer in Adelaide at least, so we'll see how it pans out). Now, I have nothing against a GF played at Subi or Footy Park as is, but whoever's in charge of the AFL when a derby match in question is played will inevitably hate it just because the grounds are both too small, and they'll want to bleed that suckah dry.
Truth be told though, I don't really have a problem with the GF played at the G otherwise. History has shown the non-Vic teams have had a lot of success over there, anyway. And if the team is really good enough, you'd think it wouldn't matter in the end afterall.
Not only that, but it makes the triumphant return to Adelaide/Perth/Brisbane/Sydney all the more special.
Truth be told though, I don't really have a problem with the GF played at the G otherwise. History has shown the non-Vic teams have had a lot of success over there, anyway. And if the team is really good enough, you'd think it wouldn't matter in the end afterall.
Not only that, but it makes the triumphant return to Adelaide/Perth/Brisbane/Sydney all the more special.
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