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Oh come on! It was you specifically who was lobbying for individuals to have to honor debts to enforce the integrity of the system.



What are you talking about? Lobbying who? Because I said that I don’t generally support student debt forgiveness?

I am in favour of considerably increased government spending during this time to keep people afloat as it is the only way to return to some sort of normality. This includes the suspension of student debt (without accumulation of interest) for a long time.

I think that there are reasonable debates to be had about the broader topic of student debt outside of the parameters of the pandemic.
 
What are you talking about? Lobbying who? Because I said that I don’t generally support student debt forgiveness?

I am in favour of considerably increased government spending during this time to keep people afloat as it is the only way to return to some sort of normality. This includes the suspension of student debt (without accumulation of interest) for a long time.

I think that there are reasonable debates to be had about the broader topic of student debt outside of the parameters of the pandemic.



No, quite literally when I called for freezing all unpayable debts, you said the failure of hotels and airlines and the was inevitable and that banks must have money so they can “help” those who won’t fail.

If these companies that are left without profit had a freeze on debt, they wouldn’t be eliminating assets and millions of jobs.

Just the same way that the federal government did in fact put a freeze on both student loan interest and on payment, if an entity (person or organization) is unable to pay their debts right now they should not have to, to the maximum possible extent without adversely causing financial institutions themselves an inability to pay their own employees.

And yeah I said it before and I’ll say it again... fuck those financial institutions. They can fake a hit. They got their asses bailed out by tax payers when they fucked ip. So yeah, now that (far more) lower-middle and middle class workers for hotels and airlines are suffering because their companies failed to be financially prepared, fuck the big banks. Their asses can wait to get paid, and no they don’t get to go be the decision makers on liquidating an airline’s assets. It’s not good for literally anyone but them. It’s horrible for the workers and it’s horrible for the job economy.
 
I'm sorry but are there really on-the-fence/undecided American voters who can truly be persuaded to vote one way or the other who are going to be astonished that Nancy Pelosi is rich? Like, really?

There aren't poor people in the Senate, the Congress or the boardrooms of America. The question is really how rich they are relative to one another.
I'm saying she, and the center-to-right portion of the Democratic Party, contribute to the hopeless feeling that causes the biggest group of voters in the United States to be those who don't vote. The greatest weapon of capital is the feeling of inevitability and hopelessness, that nothing will ever change because both sides of the aisle are in it to enrich themselves and their wealthy donors.

In related news, Joe Biden has brought Larry Summers on as an adviser on the economy.
 
What leverage do they have in these negotiations, though? Is there even a path to winning? My impression is, the Republicans don't really care if a bill is delayed by hours or even days. They'll just wait it out. But the Democrats feel the pressure of urgency. Would it have been realistic to expect the Democrats in the Senate to get Republicans to budge?

McConnell's bullshit should be shot down. The US government doesn't need to worry about debt. It can't go bankrupt. Meanwhile, millions of "job creators" and "hard-working Americans" (to use their vernacular) are amassing debt that will bankrupt them.
They had leverage on the initial bill. No one was going to accept the government failing to pass something.

The Democrats need to place pressure on the Republicans. This was a situation where the situation was going to force the hand of the government. It's an election year. They cannot sit on their hands in the face of a pandemic. They need to rally people to whip up fervor against them, and paint them as an enemy hell bent on increasing suffering. They had no interest in doing so. Instead, they just went along and pretended it was all they could do. They didn't bother to try. They never do. They always say "we'll try it next time."
 
So it looks like the whole thing about the models being WAY off, that it won't be 100 to 200 thousand people dying from Covid and really its only going to be 40 to 60 thousand.

Well, looks like we will pass 50,000 tomorrow. with about 48,000 dying just so far in the month of April. That means we will most likely hit 65-67 thousand by May 1st.

Looking at the trends of deaths in states, it seems to be staying level at best, increasing in some still.

I don't see how we don't hit 100,000 by June. Looking optimistically, if we were to cut the deaths by 50% month over month, we would be at 100k in the first week of June. By the time election day rolls around, we'd by looking at 150,000 people who will have died.
That means that pretty much everyone in the country will have someone that they know or love, pass away from this.

Trump tried to over exaggerate the numbers early on and said that 100,000 people dying would be "a win." That's his old trick. Way over exaggerate something and then come out looking like he did something good when it doesnt meet his exaggeration.
Well, he jumped on the new numbers of 40 to 60,000 real quick to try and counter the criticism of his horrible response.

Well, that isn't going to work. On Tuesday, he said - A lot of people are saying, 40 or 50 thousand people. He's saying this while you know behind closed doors he's hearing triple that number, but now he is going to end up rightfully looking like an utter failure and disaster in this crisis, which would finally be the truth.

No one knows how many lives would have been saved with a strong, coordinated federal response, but it surely would have been far less than 150,000 in 8 months.
 
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Imagine if we had South Korea’s leadership and response ?

With the Southern states opening a lot of businesses this weekend and early next week i don’t see how we stay under 150k before August.

Here in SoCal, some city parks are opening back up and they’re overflowing with people. I have a ER friend who said some of the workers want to go silent protest at the parks because of the over crowding. Temps here will be over 80 thru the weekend and i cross my fingers people behave.

The plan for the US because of Trump and the gop is to inflict as much pain and misery on the poor and minorities (usually one and the same). Expect to ride wave after wave of infections until either a vaccine/treatment is available or Sleepy Joe takes over.

Our best hope is the latter cause i don’t have faith a medical cure is anywhere close to being produced.

Sounds like testing may be ramping up a little bit, but the country needs it to be much much more plus tracing. We’ve got none of that. All of this has to be coordinated at a national level, not a mix of 50 different strategies

You cannot convince me at this point the GOP has any remorse or empathy for the citizens of this country. Even during a pandemic they are feeding the rich with bailouts, banning abortions, and now shutting down immigration. Literally the only issues they care about (we can still buy guns too!!)

Trump doesn’t care about anything except Trump. He is a con man who only thinks about himself moment to moment, and improvises each of those moments as a means to bend reality to his will.

We will get through this eventually, but the damage (personal, financial, mental) is going to linger for a long, long time
 
Tanning beds for every american. It’s the only way out of this
 
As confused as Sleepy Joe seems sometimes, at least he'd never suggest injecting or ingesting disinfectant or uv light to treat coronavirus. That's my good news post for the week.
 
What leverage do they have in these negotiations, though? Is there even a path to winning? My impression is, the Republicans don't really care if a bill is delayed by hours or even days. They'll just wait it out. But the Democrats feel the pressure of urgency. Would it have been realistic to expect the Democrats in the Senate to get Republicans to budge?.

Thank you for some important points.

I literately made this case here and to my friends and everyone has suggested its extreme.

Maybe I should yell it like a New Yorker [emoji848]

The number one cardinal sin in our society is to not pay debt. Debt is not helpful to society at this moment. In fact, it threatens society.

yell it like a New Yorker

Tee-shirt time?!? :D :D :up:
Dr. Trump is in the building.

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1253448138813173760

I call for all Republicans to follow his medical advice. I also think Trump should go first, to lead by example.
Heh heh
 
They had leverage on the initial bill. No one was going to accept the government failing to pass something.

The Democrats need to place pressure on the Republicans. This was a situation where the situation was going to force the hand of the government. It's an election year. They cannot sit on their hands in the face of a pandemic. They need to rally people to whip up fervor against them, and paint them as an enemy hell bent on increasing suffering. They had no interest in doing so. Instead, they just went along and pretended it was all they could do. They didn't bother to try. They never do. They always say "we'll try it next time."
Now that I pointed out to you the original comments I made that contributed to that post you didn't recognize as directed towards you....

..... Why haven't even you even acknowledged the past postive actions Democrats have proposed that I laid out for you?

As for pushing the Republicans - as far as the election goes - the heaviest ad campaigns often start post-Labor Day when more generally non or less political people start paying attention.
 
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What a life....the only thing that surprises me is that he occasionally has dinner with his wife and son.

Hardly sleeps, eats French fries on the regular, monitors everything that's being said about him.


Home alone at the White House: A sour president, with TV his constant companion

As his administration grapples with reopening the economy and responding to the coronavirus crisis, President Donald Trump worries about his re-election and how the news media is portraying him.

By Katie Rogers and Annie Karni, The New York Times Company
April 24, 2020 | 9:12 AM

WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump arrives in the Oval Office these days as late as noon, when he is usually in a sour mood after his morning marathon of television.

He has been up in the White House master bedroom as early as 5 a.m. watching Fox News, then CNN, with a dollop of MSNBC thrown in for rage viewing. He makes calls with the TV on in the background, his routine since he first arrived at the White House.



But now there are differences.

The president sees few allies no matter which channel he clicks. He is angry even with Fox, an old security blanket, for not portraying him as he would like to be seen. And he makes time to watch Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo’s briefings from New York, closely monitoring for a sporadic compliment or snipe.

Confined to the White House, the president is isolated from the supporters, visitors, travel and golf that once entertained him, according to more than a dozen administration officials and close advisers who spoke about Trump’s strange new life. He is tested weekly, as is Vice President Mike Pence, for COVID-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus.

The economy — Trump’s main case for reelection — has imploded. News coverage of his handling of the coronavirus has been overwhelmingly negative as Democrats have condemned him for a lack of empathy, honesty and competence in the face of a pandemic. Even Republicans have criticized Trump’s briefings as long-winded and his rough handling of critics as unproductive.

His own internal polling shows him sliding in some swing states, a major reason he declared a temporary halt to the issuance of green cards to those outside the United States. The executive order — watered down with loopholes after an uproar from business groups — was aimed at pleasing his political base, people close to him said, and was the kind of move Trump makes when things feel out of control. Friends who have spoken to him said he seemed unsettled and worried about losing the election.


But the president’s primary focus, advisers said, is assessing how his performance on the virus is measured in the news media, and the extent to which history will blame him.

“He’s frustrated,” said Stephen Moore, an outside economic adviser to Trump who was the president’s pick to sit on the Federal Reserve Board before his history of sexist comments and lack of child support payments surfaced. “It’s like being hit with a meteor.”

Trump frequently vents about how he is portrayed. He was enraged by an article this month in which his health secretary, Alex Azar, was said to have warned Trump in January about the possibility of a pandemic. Trump was upset that he was being blamed while Azar was portrayed in a more favorable light, aides said. The president told friends that he assumed Azar was working the news media to try to save his own reputation at the expense of Trump’s.

Aides said the president’s low point was in mid-March, when Trump, who had dismissed the virus as “one person coming in from China” and no worse than the flu, saw deaths and infections from COVID-19 rising daily. Mike Lindell, a Trump donor campaign surrogate and the chief executive of MyPillow, visited the White House later that month and said the president seemed so glum that Lindell pulled out his phone to show him a text message from a Democratic-voting friend of his who thought Trump was doing a good job.


Lindell said Trump perked up after hearing the praise. “I just wanted to give him a little confidence,” Lindell said.

The daily briefings


The daily White House coronavirus task force briefing is the one portion of the day that Trump looks forward to, although even Republicans say that the two hours of political attacks, grievances and falsehoods by the president are hurting him politically.

Trump will hear none of it. Aides say he views them as prime-time shows that are the best substitute for the rallies he can longer attend but craves.

Trump rarely attends the task force meetings that precede the briefings, and he typically does not prepare before he steps in front of the cameras. He is often seeing the final version of the day’s main talking points that aides have prepared for him for the first time although aides said he makes tweaks with a Sharpie just before he reads them live. He hastily plows through them, usually in a monotone, in order to get to the question-and-answer bullying session with reporters that he relishes.

The briefing’s critics, including Cuomo, have pointed out the obvious: With two hours of the president’s day dedicated to hosting what is still referred to as a prime-time news briefing, who is going to actually fix the pandemic?

Even Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, one of the experts appointed to advise the president on the best way to handle the outbreak, has complained that the amount of time he must spend onstage in the briefings each day has a “draining” effect on him.

They have the opposite effect on the president. How he arrived at them was almost an accident.

Trump became enraged watching the coverage of his 10-minute Oval Office address in March that was rife with inaccuracies and had little in terms of action for him to announce. He complained to aides that there were few people on television willing to defend him.

The solution, aides said, came two days later, when Trump appeared in the Rose Garden to declare a national emergency and answer questions from reporters. As he admonished journalists for asking “nasty” questions, Trump found the back-and-forth he had been missing. The virus had not been a perfect enemy — it was impervious to his browbeating — but baiting and attacking reporters energized him.

“I don’t take responsibility at all,” Trump told White House correspondents in answer to one question.

His first news conference in the briefing room took place the next day, on a Saturday, after Trump arrived unannounced in the Situation Room, wearing a polo shirt and baseball cap, and told the group he planned to attend the briefing and watch from a chair on the side. When aides told him that reporters would simply yell questions at him, even if he was not on the small stage, he agreed to take the podium. He has not looked back since.

When Trump finishes up 90 or more minutes later, he heads back to the Oval Office to watch the end of the briefings on TV and compare notes with whoever is around from his inner circle.

That circle has shrunk significantly as the president, who advisers say is more sensitive to criticism than at nearly any other point in his presidency, has come to rely on only a handful of longtime aides.

Hope Hicks, a former communications director who rejoined the White House this year as counselor to the president, maintains his daily schedule. His former personal assistant, Johnny McEntee, now runs presidential personnel.

Hicks and McEntee, along with Dan Scavino, the president’s social media guru who was promoted this week to deputy chief of staff for communications, provide Trump with a link to the better old days. The three are the ones outside advisers get in touch with to find out if it’s a good time to reach the president or pass on a message.

Mark Meadows, Trump’s new chief of staff, is still finding his footing and adjusting to the nocturnal habits of Trump, who recently placed a call to Meadows, a senior administration official said, at 3:19 a.m. Meadows works closely with another trusted insider: Jared Kushner, Trump’s son-in-law and de facto chief of staff.

“They have been really confined and figuratively imprisoned,” Matthew Dallek, a political historian at George Washington University, said about presidents who have kept close to the White House in times of crisis.

While many officials have been encouraged to work remotely and the Old Executive Office Building is empty, the West Wing’s tight quarters are still packed. Pence and his top aides, usually stationed across the street, are working exclusively from the White House, along with most of the senior aides, who dine from the takeout mess while the in-house dining room remains closed. Few aides wear masks except for Matthew Pottinger, the deputy national security adviser, and some of his staff.

The day ends as It began

As soon as he gets to the Oval Office, the president often receives his daily intelligence briefing, and Pence sometimes joins him. Then there are meetings with his national security team or economic advisers.

Throughout the day, Trump calls governors, will have lunch with Cabinet secretaries and pores over newspapers, which he treats like official briefing books and reads primarily in paper clippings that aides bring to him. He calls aides about stories he sees, either to order them to get a world leader on the phone or to ask questions about something he has read.

Many friends said they were less likely to call Trump’s cellphone, assuming he does not want to hear their advice. Those who do reach him said phone calls have grown more clipped: Conversations that used to last 20 minutes now wrap up in three.

Trump will still take calls from Brad Parscale, his campaign manager, on the latest on polling data. The president will in turn call Meadows and another aide, Kellyanne Conway, about key congressional races.

The president’s aides have slowly lined up more opportunities to keep him engaged. Last week, a small group of coronavirus survivors were led into the White House, and Trump took one of them to see the White House physician. Then Trump hosted a celebration of America’s truckers on the South Lawn.

After he is done watching the end of the daily White House briefing — which goes seven days a week, sometimes as late as 8 p.m. — Trump eats his usual comfort foods, including french fries, in his private dining room off the Oval Office. He asks staff members who may still be around for an assessment of how the briefing went.

Lately, aides say, his mood has started to brighten as his administration moves to open the economy. His new line, both in public and in private, is that there is reason to be optimistic.

“And at the end of that tunnel, we see light,” Trump said in the Rose Garden last week.

If he is not staying late in the West Wing, Trump occasionally has dinner with his wife, Melania Trump, and their son, Barron, who recently celebrated his 14th birthday at home.

By the end of the day, Trump turns back to his constant companion, television. Upstairs in the White House private quarters — often in his own bedroom or in a nearby den — he flicks from channel to channel, reviewing his performance.
 
In response to the article MrsS shared, all I can say is, allow me to play the world's smallest violin for Trump. If he's grumpy about how people are viewing him, again I say, he's free to leave any fucking time. I guarantee that would be the first thing he'd done in a long while (if ever) that would actually make people happy.
 
In response to the article MrsS shared, all I can say is, allow me to play the world's smallest violin for Trump. If he's grumpy about how people are viewing him, again I say, he's free to leave any fucking time. I guarantee that would be the first thing he'd done in a long while (if ever) that would actually make people happy.

I agree. Don't let the door hit you on the way out Donnie!
 
The idea that Tara Reade invented her accusations in recent years seems pretty implausible now that they have unearthed video of her mother calling into Larry King's show in 1993 to wonder aloud how a staffer would go about reckoning with what happened to her.

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TMZ reporting that Kim Jong Un is dead. There have been various reports this week that he was brain dead. Who knows what's true, maybe only Dennis Rodman and Trump.
 
considering the official position of north korea is that both his father and grandfather are still eternally ruling the country from heaven, you're actually not that far off.
 
TMZ reporting that Kim Jong Un is dead. There have been various reports this week that he was brain dead. Who knows what's true, maybe only Dennis Rodman and Trump.

I saw an article earlier today where Trump had apparently denounced all the news about Kim Jong Un possibly being ill as "fake reports", because that's where we are with this asshole now:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-rejects-rumours-kim-013536743.html

(The article I'd read that in was an AP one, but this is another one on the same story.)

The comment section was full of people saying things like, "Well, if Trump says reports of him being ill are lies, then he's clearly near death." So...

Anywho, if this does happen to be true, then good riddance.
 
i doubt that he's actually already dead the way TMZ is breathlessly reporting, but if they botched a procedure to put a stent in his heart he's probably not fully recovering either. his condition certainly has to be pretty grave for him to miss the parades both for kim il-sung's birthday on the 15th and the anniversary of the KPA's founding today. if there was any possible way of getting him to make an appearance at today's parade to dispel the rumours then surely they would have done that.

in any case it seems his sister was given a big promotion in the last few days to give her more powers and she'll probably be taking over the running of the administration whether he lives or dies.
 
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