US 2008 Presidential Campaign/Debate Discussion Thread - Part III - Page 32

**yolland** · 01-09-2008, 12:03 AM

No wait, what you saw must be with the superdelegates added in. NH has 5 Dem superdelegates, so I guess 1 more of them must be backing Obama than Clinton as of now.

coemgen · 01-09-2008, 12:03 AM

I see that, too, but go down to the bottom of this page where it has the various profiles of each state. Under New Hampshire he has 12, she has 11.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/pri...s/scorecard/#D

Maybe something wasn't updated/done correctly, or I'm looking at something wrong. (Probably my bad.)

coemgen · 01-09-2008, 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by yolland
No wait, what you saw must be with the superdelegates added in. NH has 5 Dem superdelegates, so I guess 1 more of them must be backing Obama than Clinton as of now.

I just saw that myself.

Thanks.

BonosSaint · 01-09-2008, 12:55 AM

I was surprised to see Obama voted for the Terri Schiavo law. He called that vote one of his worst mistakes. OK, he was a new Senator and all, but that was only a few years back.

It's not a deal breaker for me, but it's a consideration. Off to look at voting record again.

verte76 · 01-09-2008, 06:23 AM

Where did Edwards come in?

verte76 · 01-09-2008, 06:26 AM

Someone on one of my lists said that Obama is Catholic. That can't be true.

MrsSpringsteen · 01-09-2008, 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bono's shades
I'm wondering if some of you even saw the same clip that I did of Hillary Clinton becoming "emotional." I read about the incident before I saw it for myself, and I was expecting full-on waterworks. I'm not even sure her eyes were damp. As far as I can tell, her voice just wavered a bit. Sheesh. I'm not a big Hillary fan, but this kind of crap makes me feel incredibly sympathetic toward her despite myself.

It's the double standard, and some people just see what they want to see. Women in NH and everywhere are intelligent free thinking beings, crying did not decide the NH primary for women voters. Maybe some of us voted for Barack too because we like the way he looks in a swimsuit, and cause Oprah likes him. Yeah, that's it.

Tiger Edge · 01-09-2008, 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bono's shades
I'm wondering if some of you even saw the same clip that I did of Hillary Clinton becoming "emotional." I read about the incident before I saw it for myself, and I was expecting full-on waterworks. I'm not even sure her eyes were damp. As far as I can tell, her voice just wavered a bit. Sheesh. I'm not a big Hillary fan, but this kind of crap makes me feel incredibly sympathetic toward her despite myself.

The Daily Show had a great bit just now about this latest tempest in a teapot. Jon Stewart said if that's an emotional breakdown he hopes no one ever sees him getting a flu shot. And then he had a great montage of male politicos openly weeping.

Everything you said =

I think we were the same person yesterday because I was just about to come here and post the exact same thing, down to the Daily Show montage!

U2democrat · 01-09-2008, 09:17 AM

What bothered me about her "human, emotional" moment was that in the same breath she attacked Obama, but that didn't get nearly as much play as her being "real".

I still say she unites the GOP, divides independents and her own party (the evidence can be seen on this forum). That is a recipe for disaster in the general.

U2democrat · 01-09-2008, 01:17 PM

Obama got the Culinary Workers Union endorsement in Nevada. I hope that helps him but at this point I won't hold my breath.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h...roetQD8U2H8A82

BVS · 01-09-2008, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by U2democrat

I still say she unites the GOP, divides independents and her own party (the evidence can be seen on this forum). That is a recipe for disaster in the general.

2861U2 · 01-09-2008, 06:30 PM

Bill Richardson just dropped out.

ETA: wait, now a spokesman for him is denying that...

Regardless, I think he'd throw his support to Hillary.

U2democrat · 01-09-2008, 10:22 PM

It's official now, Richardson's dropping out.

I agree, his support goes to Hillary as his lips have been firmly planted to her rear this whole cycle.

coemgen · 01-09-2008, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by verte76
Someone on one of my lists said that Obama is Catholic. That can't be true.

Nope. He's United Church of Christ, I think.

U2democrat · 01-09-2008, 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by coemgen

Nope. He's United Church of Christ, I think.

Right. When in Chicago he regularly attends Trinity I believe. (My denomination is very closely related to the UCC)

verte76 · 01-10-2008, 06:53 AM

I thought they were wrong about the Catholic thing.

MrsSpringsteen · 01-10-2008, 07:39 AM

I think it's a sure thing that he will run. Monkey wrench

NEW YORK (CNN) -- New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg has launched a research effort to assess his chances in a potential bid for the presidency, a source close to the mayor told CNN.

The source said data is being gathered but that the mayor -- who has been widely speculated as being interested in running for the White House as an independent -- has not yet begun analyzing that data, the source said.

The source, who is intimately familiar with the mayor's deliberations, said Bloomberg has set early March as a timetable for making a decision.

Bloomberg, a former Democrat who was elected to the mayor's office as a Republican, joined a panel of moderate current and former lawmakers earlier this week at the University of Oklahoma in Norman.

The group, made up of both Democrats and Republicans, called for a return to bipartisanship in government.

"What has changed is that people have stopped working together," Bloomberg said at the Monday gathering.

"Government is dysfunctional. There is no collaboration and congeniality. There is no working together and 'Let's do what's right for the country.' There is no accountability today ... no willingness to focus on big ideas."

Bloomberg, 65, was elected mayor of New York in 2001, two months after the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center, and re-elected in 2005.

A native of Medford, Massachusetts, with an MBA from Harvard Business School, Bloomberg made his fortune first working with Wall Street securities bank Salomon Brothers, then as founder of Bloomberg LP, a financial news and information service.

martha · 01-10-2008, 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrsSpringsteen
NEW YORK (CNN) --

"What has changed is that people have stopped working together," Bloomberg said at the Monday gathering.

"...There is no collaboration and congeniality. There is no working together and 'Let's do what's right for the country.' There is no accountability today ... no willingness to focus on big ideas."

Says the guy considering running as a spoiler.

Apparently he's been too busy to pay attention to the level of real success of third party candidates in the US.

2861U2 · 01-10-2008, 09:04 AM

John Kerry is going to endorse Barack Obama rather than his VP buddy 4 years ago.

http://youdecide08.foxnews.com/2008/...-barack-obama/

2861U2 · 01-10-2008, 01:11 PM

Anyone think Kerry's endorsement helps in any way? He isn't exactly the face of a successful presidential campaign. If he really wanted to help Obama, why not endorse him before NH, rather than after? Kerry being from a neighboring state may have caused NH to turn out a little differently.

01-09-2008, 12:03 AM	#621
yolland Forum Moderator Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 7,471 Local Time: 08:54 PM	No wait, what you saw must be with the superdelegates added in. NH has 5 Dem superdelegates, so I guess 1 more of them must be backing Obama than Clinton as of now. __________________ __________________ yolland [at] interference.com μελετώ αποτυγχάνειν. -- Διογένης της Σινώπης

01-09-2008, 12:03 AM	#622
coemgen Rock n' Roll Doggie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Black and White Town Posts: 3,962 Local Time: 02:54 PM	I see that, too, but go down to the bottom of this page where it has the various profiles of each state. Under New Hampshire he has 12, she has 11. http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/pri...s/scorecard/#D Maybe something wasn't updated/done correctly, or I'm looking at something wrong. (Probably my bad.) __________________

01-10-2008, 01:11 PM	#640
2861U2 Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: watching the Cubs Posts: 4,258 Local Time: 01:54 PM	Anyone think Kerry's endorsement helps in any way? He isn't exactly the face of a successful presidential campaign. If he really wanted to help Obama, why not endorse him before NH, rather than after? Kerry being from a neighboring state may have caused NH to turn out a little differently. __________________

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01-09-2008, 12:55 AM	#624
BonosSaint Rock n' Roll Doggie Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 3,566 Local Time: 03:54 PM	I was surprised to see Obama voted for the Terri Schiavo law. He called that vote one of his worst mistakes. OK, he was a new Senator and all, but that was only a few years back. It's not a deal breaker for me, but it's a consideration. Off to look at voting record again.

01-09-2008, 06:23 AM	#625
verte76 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: May 2002 Location: hoping for changes Posts: 23,331 Local Time: 07:54 PM	Where did Edwards come in?

01-09-2008, 06:26 AM	#626
verte76 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: May 2002 Location: hoping for changes Posts: 23,331 Local Time: 07:54 PM	Someone on one of my lists said that Obama is Catholic. That can't be true.

01-09-2008, 09:17 AM	#629
U2democrat Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: England by way of 'Murica. Posts: 22,142 Local Time: 07:54 PM	What bothered me about her "human, emotional" moment was that in the same breath she attacked Obama, but that didn't get nearly as much play as her being "real". I still say she unites the GOP, divides independents and her own party (the evidence can be seen on this forum). That is a recipe for disaster in the general.

01-09-2008, 01:17 PM	#630
U2democrat Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: England by way of 'Murica. Posts: 22,142 Local Time: 07:54 PM	Obama got the Culinary Workers Union endorsement in Nevada. I hope that helps him but at this point I won't hold my breath. http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h...roetQD8U2H8A82

01-09-2008, 06:30 PM	#632
2861U2 Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: watching the Cubs Posts: 4,258 Local Time: 01:54 PM	Bill Richardson just dropped out. ETA: wait, now a spokesman for him is denying that... Regardless, I think he'd throw his support to Hillary.

01-09-2008, 10:22 PM	#633
U2democrat Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: England by way of 'Murica. Posts: 22,142 Local Time: 07:54 PM	It's official now, Richardson's dropping out. I agree, his support goes to Hillary as his lips have been firmly planted to her rear this whole cycle.

01-10-2008, 06:53 AM	#636
verte76 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: May 2002 Location: hoping for changes Posts: 23,331 Local Time: 07:54 PM	I thought they were wrong about the Catholic thing.

01-10-2008, 07:39 AM	#637
MrsSpringsteen Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 28,170 Local Time: 03:54 PM	I think it's a sure thing that he will run. Monkey wrench NEW YORK (CNN) -- New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg has launched a research effort to assess his chances in a potential bid for the presidency, a source close to the mayor told CNN. The source said data is being gathered but that the mayor -- who has been widely speculated as being interested in running for the White House as an independent -- has not yet begun analyzing that data, the source said. The source, who is intimately familiar with the mayor's deliberations, said Bloomberg has set early March as a timetable for making a decision. Bloomberg, a former Democrat who was elected to the mayor's office as a Republican, joined a panel of moderate current and former lawmakers earlier this week at the University of Oklahoma in Norman. The group, made up of both Democrats and Republicans, called for a return to bipartisanship in government. "What has changed is that people have stopped working together," Bloomberg said at the Monday gathering. "Government is dysfunctional. There is no collaboration and congeniality. There is no working together and 'Let's do what's right for the country.' There is no accountability today ... no willingness to focus on big ideas." Bloomberg, 65, was elected mayor of New York in 2001, two months after the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center, and re-elected in 2005. A native of Medford, Massachusetts, with an MBA from Harvard Business School, Bloomberg made his fortune first working with Wall Street securities bank Salomon Brothers, then as founder of Bloomberg LP, a financial news and information service.

01-10-2008, 09:04 AM	#639
2861U2 Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: watching the Cubs Posts: 4,258 Local Time: 01:54 PM	John Kerry is going to endorse Barack Obama rather than his VP buddy 4 years ago. http://youdecide08.foxnews.com/2008/...-barack-obama/