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The 2007 FIA Formula 1 World Championship thread
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Slipstream
Refugee
Does anyone know what's going on with Scott Speed? He said that he won't race for Tost and Berger again but he was testing this week.
The 2008 calendar came out today and we have Valencia on 24 Aug and Singapore 28 Sept. The season finishes in Brazil 2 Nov.
The 2008 calendar came out today and we have Valencia on 24 Aug and Singapore 28 Sept. The season finishes in Brazil 2 Nov.
cobl04
45:33
I love Spa. 
Adam'sbaby
War Child
Slipstream said:
I heard that Speed was still driving for the team but that there is a conflict between him and Tost/Berger. Somewhere I even heard there was some kind of fight or something and that Tost had hit Speed.
I guess I won't be surprized if Speed does get kicked out of the team. Rumors like that can't be a good sign.
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Yeah apparently Speed was involved in a physical altercation with one of the team bosses, I believe.
Rock and roll, bitch!
Yeah, once he gets the boot there won't be an American in F1 for the next 6+ years
Rock and roll, bitch!
Yeah, once he gets the boot there won't be an American in F1 for the next 6+ years
cobl04
45:33
Yeah, that's a shame as well. It's nice to hear a driver talk who I can actually understand, because all the foreigners are hard(er) to understand and they always use cliches.
Do they prefer the Indy over there? Cos all I hear is that sport is going down the shitter.
Do they prefer the Indy over there? Cos all I hear is that sport is going down the shitter.
Down Under
Refugee
Germany’s Sebastian Vettel is to replace Scott Speed at Toro Rosso for the remainder of 2007. Vettel has been released from his position as BMW Sauber’s test and reserve driver with immediate effect.
Speed’s departure was widely anticipated following his recent run-in with Toro Rosso management at the Nurburgring. Vettel, who made his Formula One race debut with BMW earlier this year, is backed by Toro Rosso co-owners Red Bull.
Speed’s departure was widely anticipated following his recent run-in with Toro Rosso management at the Nurburgring. Vettel, who made his Formula One race debut with BMW earlier this year, is backed by Toro Rosso co-owners Red Bull.
Adam'sbaby
War Child
Let's be nice and wave Scott Speed goodbye
And there goes Speed....
Bye Scott, can't really say I 'll miss you 'though.
And there goes Speed....
Bye Scott, can't really say I 'll miss you 'though.
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Slipstream
Refugee
I just read this about Speed being dropped, but I can't say I'm surprised. I've tried to read enough about the whole situation that has happened with him and Toro Rosso but I'm still left with one feeling, that he was treated completely unfairly in all this. I've never been Speed's biggest fan but man this Toro Rosso management are a real piece of work.
Adam'sbaby
War Child
Things like this happen in Formula 1. It's a kind of political game that the management department of teams can play(money, sponsorships etc). It sucks but it's just the way it is.
Slipstream
Refugee
Everyone has probably already heard about the McLaren pit-stop fiasco. Alonso has had his pole taken away and been rightfully demoted to 6th spot on the grid for holding up Hamilton in the pits at the final minutes of Q3 so he couldn't have a chance to do his final hot lap. Hammy was on P1 before the final pits and with good probability of getting the pole.
FIA stewards after investigating and listening to audio and viewing tapes came to the decision and are also docking any McLaren Constructors points for tomorrow's GP. McLaren in going to appeal that part.
These times were taken from the stewards verdict -
14:57:34 - Alonso told to come into the pits and "we are going to hold you for 20 seconds".
14:57:46 - Alonso's car arrived at pit stop, his tyres were changed and the jacks removed just 6 seconds later.
14:57:52 to 14:58:12 - Car remains in position until lollipop raised. At this time Hamilton arrived at the pit stop.
***26 seconds have elapsed since Alonso arrived at the pit stop. The 6 second pit and the previously announced holding of 20 seconds.
14:58:12 - Alonso remains at the pit stop position for a further 10 seconds.
Explanation why he remained the extra time was that he was enquiring as to whether the correct set of tyres had been fitted to his car. When asked why this had not been in the 20 secs previous he said he couldn't get through on the radio. The traffic excuse doesn't hold up because there was only 4 cars on the circuit and 3 of them were in the pits except Kimi. There was no traffic!
I think Alonso is guilty on this one for bad sportsmanship. He also gets to start on the dirty side of the track tomorrow while Hammy starts on pole from the clean side. LOL, squished in with reckless Ralf...it's gonna be an exciting start!
FIA stewards after investigating and listening to audio and viewing tapes came to the decision and are also docking any McLaren Constructors points for tomorrow's GP. McLaren in going to appeal that part.
These times were taken from the stewards verdict -
14:57:34 - Alonso told to come into the pits and "we are going to hold you for 20 seconds".
14:57:46 - Alonso's car arrived at pit stop, his tyres were changed and the jacks removed just 6 seconds later.
14:57:52 to 14:58:12 - Car remains in position until lollipop raised. At this time Hamilton arrived at the pit stop.
***26 seconds have elapsed since Alonso arrived at the pit stop. The 6 second pit and the previously announced holding of 20 seconds.
14:58:12 - Alonso remains at the pit stop position for a further 10 seconds.
Explanation why he remained the extra time was that he was enquiring as to whether the correct set of tyres had been fitted to his car. When asked why this had not been in the 20 secs previous he said he couldn't get through on the radio. The traffic excuse doesn't hold up because there was only 4 cars on the circuit and 3 of them were in the pits except Kimi. There was no traffic!
I think Alonso is guilty on this one for bad sportsmanship. He also gets to start on the dirty side of the track tomorrow while Hammy starts on pole from the clean side. LOL, squished in with reckless Ralf...it's gonna be an exciting start!
Slipstream
Refugee
Here is some vids I finally found of it -
ITV footage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Xb4myrHs6M
Alonso's full pit from Brazil tv
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYa_766DXzo
German tv aerial shot
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?do...=21&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1
Alonso avoiding RD after race the guilty beggar -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3t1SLlMzx4
ITV footage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Xb4myrHs6M
Alonso's full pit from Brazil tv
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYa_766DXzo
German tv aerial shot
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?do...=21&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1
Alonso avoiding RD after race the guilty beggar -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3t1SLlMzx4
cobl04
45:33
Alonso has become really grumpy since he crossed. I swear success must make them all assholes.
Down Under
Refugee
I agree what Alonso did was wrong for his teammate, but damn it makes this race so exciting.
5 hours to go before it is on TV here.
5 hours to go before it is on TV here.
cobl04
45:33
I keep falling asleep during the telecasts man. They start too late. I was so angry that I missed Webber get his podium. 
Down Under
Refugee
COBL_04 said:
Agree
I see it live on the official website and then watch the delayed telecast on TV.
I have tomorrow off work so happy to stay up late tonight.
Slipstream
Refugee
Hamilton, another win!! Pretty boring race all in all but at least there was a bit of suspense with Kimi on Lewis' tail. Even Damon Hill and James Allen were getting very quiet towards the end of the race. Speaking of Hill, it was great hearing him commentate the race and get a fresh perspective on F1 from an ex-driver and champion.
Three more weeks to wait until Turkey now which really sucks.
Three more weeks to wait until Turkey now which really sucks.
Adam'sbaby
War Child
I wonder if Dennis will manage to get those points in the constructor's championship back in the end.
But I don't think the FIA will let that happen.
But I don't think the FIA will let that happen.
Slipstream
Refugee
^^I read somewhere that Dennis won't be going for an appeal now for those points.
In other news that came out today from Spanish newspaper 'Marca' -
Alonso declared to 'Marca': "The team has to decide: Or I leave McLaren, or Hamilton leaves".
Yesterday in the Hungarian paddock Alonso declared that he wasn't sure if he would respect his three-year contract with McLaren. When he was asked the question he answered: "I don't know".
According to 'Marca', Alonso's father and manager had a meeting with Renault's Flavio Briatore directly after the Hungarian Grand Prix. Earlier this season, rumours were already spread that Renault wanted Alonso back, but after this new incident at McLaren it seems more and more realistic that the Asturian driver, who became World Champion twice with Renault, will return to his former team.
In other news that came out today from Spanish newspaper 'Marca' -
Alonso declared to 'Marca': "The team has to decide: Or I leave McLaren, or Hamilton leaves".
Yesterday in the Hungarian paddock Alonso declared that he wasn't sure if he would respect his three-year contract with McLaren. When he was asked the question he answered: "I don't know".
According to 'Marca', Alonso's father and manager had a meeting with Renault's Flavio Briatore directly after the Hungarian Grand Prix. Earlier this season, rumours were already spread that Renault wanted Alonso back, but after this new incident at McLaren it seems more and more realistic that the Asturian driver, who became World Champion twice with Renault, will return to his former team.
cobl04
45:33
I saw on ticker tape on TV this morning that Alonso was told he has to leave McLaren at the end of the year.
So what's the consesus here? His fault or Hamstring's?
So what's the consesus here? His fault or Hamstring's?
Down Under
Refugee
I believe they were both at fault.
Hamilton for not obeying team orders in letting Alonsa pass and of cause Alonsa for wasting time in the pits.
Since Alonsa did his second, as a spoilt child to get Hamilton back, perhaps Alonsa is more at fault
. He is after all older, more experienced and should be more mature.
With regards to the ticker tape on TV, (I saw it too and thought wow).
Ron Dennis has signalled that Fernando Alonso is free to leave McLaren after this season if he is cannot live with the team’s commitment to treating both drivers equally.
Alonso is contracted to McLaren until the end of 2009, but after his increasingly tense relationship with team-mate Lewis Hamilton flared up in Hungary, he told the Spanish press that he was unsure whether he would see out the three years.
Alonso is understood to be unhappy that Hamilton has been given equal status in the team, when he had expectations of being the clear lead driver.
But Dennis remains adamant that McLaren’s commitment to parity between the two drivers is non-negotiable.
“We will continue to function as a grand prix team with specific values and if anybody does not want to be part of those values – irrespective of where they sit in the organisation – ultimately they will have a choice,” he said.
“But we will not deviate away from our values.”
Despite the tense atmosphere in the team, Dennis is hopeful that both Alonso and Hamilton will see out their multi-year contracts.
“We have two drivers who are contracted for several years into the future,” he said.
“We will respect our part of that bargain and that part of the situation.
“We hope that the drivers respect theirs because that's what a contract is about.”
Hamilton for not obeying team orders in letting Alonsa pass and of cause Alonsa for wasting time in the pits.
Since Alonsa did his second, as a spoilt child to get Hamilton back, perhaps Alonsa is more at fault
. He is after all older, more experienced and should be more mature.With regards to the ticker tape on TV, (I saw it too and thought wow).
Ron Dennis has signalled that Fernando Alonso is free to leave McLaren after this season if he is cannot live with the team’s commitment to treating both drivers equally.
Alonso is contracted to McLaren until the end of 2009, but after his increasingly tense relationship with team-mate Lewis Hamilton flared up in Hungary, he told the Spanish press that he was unsure whether he would see out the three years.
Alonso is understood to be unhappy that Hamilton has been given equal status in the team, when he had expectations of being the clear lead driver.
But Dennis remains adamant that McLaren’s commitment to parity between the two drivers is non-negotiable.
“We will continue to function as a grand prix team with specific values and if anybody does not want to be part of those values – irrespective of where they sit in the organisation – ultimately they will have a choice,” he said.
“But we will not deviate away from our values.”
Despite the tense atmosphere in the team, Dennis is hopeful that both Alonso and Hamilton will see out their multi-year contracts.
“We have two drivers who are contracted for several years into the future,” he said.
“We will respect our part of that bargain and that part of the situation.
“We hope that the drivers respect theirs because that's what a contract is about.”
Slipstream
Refugee
Down Under said:I believe they were both at fault.
Hamilton for not obeying team orders in letting Alonsa pass and of cause Alonsa for wasting time in the pits.
Since Alonsa did his second, as a spoilt child to get Hamilton back, perhaps Alonsa is more at fault
I agree, this is pretty much what I wrote in an email to Ted Kravitz at ITV and is probably the consensus of the community. Lewis being the rookie was bound to make a blunder and has since apologised to the team and especially to RD.
Alonso on the other has refused, as for as I've read, to apologise or own up to his mistake of taking revenge. This coming from an experienced 2-time champion and the supposed team-leader and senior in the team, certainly not leading by example to earn the respect he thinks he deserves.
pepokiss
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I remember this like yesterday...
do you think we may see it again?
(don't tell me that wasn't EXCITING, exactly like right now)
do you think we may see it again?
(don't tell me that wasn't EXCITING, exactly like right now)
Adam'sbaby
War Child
I also heard there were rumors about Alonso returning to Renault in the Dutch media....
This situation is really tense and explosive and everyone who thinks he is anything in F1 has an opinion about the conflict between Hamilton and Alonso.
Eddie Irvine: "If they were to make a sequel of the film 'Million Dollar baby', then Lewis and Fernando would surely be the stars. I'd call it 'Multi-Million Dollar Babies!'.."
http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2007/08/09/hamilton-and-alonso-are-million-dollar-babies/
This situation is really tense and explosive and everyone who thinks he is anything in F1 has an opinion about the conflict between Hamilton and Alonso.
Eddie Irvine: "If they were to make a sequel of the film 'Million Dollar baby', then Lewis and Fernando would surely be the stars. I'd call it 'Multi-Million Dollar Babies!'.."
http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2007/08/09/hamilton-and-alonso-are-million-dollar-babies/
cobl04
45:33
What the hell happened to Irvine? He just up and left.
Personally I'd like to see him go to like Spyker or something like that. Then we'll see how good he is.
I've always wondered that. How would Michael Schumacher have fared in a Minardi for a race? If he did a straight swap between he and the Minardi driver, Schuey 22nd and the Minardi guy 1st. Would he be able to get into the points consistently?
Personally I'd like to see him go to like Spyker or something like that. Then we'll see how good he is.
I've always wondered that. How would Michael Schumacher have fared in a Minardi for a race? If he did a straight swap between he and the Minardi driver, Schuey 22nd and the Minardi guy 1st. Would he be able to get into the points consistently?
Adam'sbaby
War Child
Michael Schumacher in a Minardi would be interesting but I don't think he would be able to score points consistently. Just not possible in a car like a Minardi. That kind of car is only good at two things: being slow and breaking down 
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cobl04
45:33
Good to see I reckon. Hopefully he can do well after forging a successful career in Indy. What do you guys reckon of Rossi joining? Will he ever?
babyman
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COBL_04 said:
Rossi will never join F1, I think that in 3-4 years, when he will leave Moto GP, he will join the Rallies. That's actually he's main passion beside Moto GP, F1 would be tough, there's too much competition for him. Hamilton, Kimi, Alonso, Kubica, Massa (?), that's the present and the future of F1. There's only one John Surtees out there.................
cobl04
45:33
Qualifying results:
No surprises really.
And Hamsting and Grumpkins have patched it up it seems.
PHP:
Pos No Driver Team Q1 Q2 Q3 LapsAnd Hamsting and Grumpkins have patched it up it seems.
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