Obama General Discussion, vol. 5

[Vlad n U 2]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

I remember the night he won the election, Juan Williams (a black Fox News contributor) was asked about Obama being so far left politically would that be his policy.

Williams responded that he believed Obama would govern from the center (not the far left) and bring us together.

Do you seriously believe Obama is really far left? Seriously?

For fuck's sakes, if Obama is far left then I must be so fucking far off the charts that I can't see the centre let alone where you're sitting.

[the iron horse]

Originally Posted by BVS

He also visited with Bush. Get your facts and analogies straight, otherwise you are just another race baiter.


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It was a Black History Month event in 2004, I think.

He was there...

....as a guest, not as a consultant.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

It was a Black History Month event in 2004, I think.

He was there...

....as a guest, not as a consultant.

Do some REAL research, not your normal websites, Sharpton has been to the White House of many presidents. Consultant? Since when do you know the details of these visits?

[bobsaget77]

I hope everyone is loving their gas prices! ........(even though American oil companies are going to go out of business and we're gonna lose millions of jobs).......it's sure great now!



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[BVS]

Originally Posted by bobsaget77

I hope everyone is loving their gas prices! ........(even though American oil companies are going to go out of business and we're gonna lose millions of jobs).......it's sure great now!



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Is this based on your vast knowledge of how much oil prices have fluctuated throughout history?

Look, American oil companies will go out of business if they don't adapt, but that will be a long time from now.

[DaveC]

You mean the oil business acts like every single other industry when prices are volatile? Who would ever have guessed.

[Mrs. Garrison]

$1.78 today here

[LemonMelon]

When I moved out to LA, everyone told me how unaffordable gas would be. Lmao.

$2.59 during the holidays

[Mrs. Garrison]

Originally Posted by bobsaget77

I hope everyone is loving their gas prices! ........(even though American oil companies are going to go out of business and we're gonna lose millions of jobs).......it's sure great now!



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How did these poor oil companies manage to stay in business before 2005 or whatever, when oil prices started getting really insanely high?

Even if the low cost of oil is bad for some in that industry, its almost universally good for every other industry on the planet, as well as the consumer.

[corianderstem]

I heard the other week that when the oil/gas prices dip like this, sales of SUVs and other big cars go up.

That never fails to baffle me. "Whoo-hoo! Cheap gas, so I can afford a giant gas-guzzler! Prices will never rise again!"

[corianderstem]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

The same crap as the KKK.

[BigMacPhisto]

Originally Posted by corianderstem

I heard the other week that when the oil/gas prices dip like this, sales of SUVs and other big cars go up.

That never fails to baffle me. "Whoo-hoo! Cheap gas, so I can afford a giant gas-guzzler! Prices will never rise again!"

Tell me about it. And good luck selling a used vehicle like that when the economy has imploded along with a gas high (like back in '08)...you figure people that would refrain from buying something so unnecessary would avoid making such a purchase for the rest of their lives, but your average person is the same sort of idiot that thinks driving an extra 20 MPH over a ten mile drive is going to stop them from being late to work or will drive five miles out of their way to purchase gas that is five cents cheaper a gallon.

[Mrs. Garrison]

Some people buy those big SUVs because they have large families, or they haul stuff around (business), they like to sit up high, or maybe they are just big people themselves and cannot fit into smaller cars.

Of course there are some people who buy them for status or whatever. Most people i know who drive these big SUVs also have other vehicles. The ones who don't, that i know personally, typically don't drive that far.

I would not rush to call someone's purchase of an SUV unnecessary unless you know that persons particular situation.

[corianderstem]

Right, I mean, I understand needing them for families or just for more room in general. But ... would the price of gas drive that decision? I mean, if you need an SUV/bigger vehicle, you need a bigger vehicle. My post wasn't intended as "HURR DURR YOU GAS GUZZLERS, BUY A PRIUS."

Does a drop in the price of gas really drive people to buy new cars in general? Because you seem to only hear news blurbs about the bigger cars increasing in sales when the gas dips. It's not like oil price drops equals car price drops in general. (Or does it? Seriously, that's why I'm asking.)

[Mrs. Garrison]

I don't know if there is a relationship in what type of cars are selling and the drop in gas prices. This time of year is normally slow for auto sales in general, which is why a lot of car retailers have their big year end sales, more incentives and rebates, etc.

I did hear on the news the other day that car sales were up recently. Not sure if thats related to gas prices or economic growth as a whole. But i have the opinion that cheaper oil is good for the economy overall, which could be related to increased car sales.

I don't own an SUV because i really don't need one, but i did buy a new car in early November. Though that had nothing to do with cheaper gas prices or the economy, i just do what i do.

[corianderstem]

Originally Posted by Mrs. Garrison

i just do what i do.

You do you, Mrs. Garrison. Merry Christmas.

[Mrs. Garrison]

Originally Posted by corianderstem

You do you, Mrs. Garrison. Merry Christmas.

Well same to you

[KhanadaRhodes]

Originally Posted by Vlad n U 2

Do you seriously believe Obama is really far left? Seriously?

For fuck's sakes, if Obama is far left then I must be so fucking far off the charts that I can't see the centre let alone where you're sitting.

hahaha, i know. sadly though, on america's political spectrum, he is considered to be left, if not far left. looking at it globally, i'd say he's a centrist.

i'm like you though, i'm far left by american standards but still far left by global standards. i took a german politics class about a year or so and it was funny discussing issues in germany and watching as they got more extreme in leftist orientation, it just became me and one other classmate agreeing with them.

Originally Posted by corianderstem

I heard the other week that when the oil/gas prices dip like this, sales of SUVs and other big cars go up.

That never fails to baffle me. "Whoo-hoo! Cheap gas, so I can afford a giant gas-guzzler! Prices will never rise again!"

this baffles me too. if gas were FREE, yes free, as in it cost me nothing, i'd still pick an economical car any day. they're usually cheaper than the gas guzzlers anyway (going purely off prices of new cars) so it's really win-win. you mean i can pay less for gas AND less for the car itself? niiiiice.

i'm hoping i can buy a new car some time in 2015 and believe me, i'm looking at the teensy cars. i know families probably can't live with something that's only got two doors or has four but is small, but i also don't get people who buy huge suvs and trucks (i know said people so i'm not assuming just because a woman is driving her suv alone that she's single and childless) when they have no dogs or kids or anything to haul around. oh well.

[DaveC]

Originally Posted by KhanadaRhodes

this baffles me too. if gas were FREE, yes free, as in it cost me nothing, i'd still pick an economical car any day. they're usually cheaper than the gas guzzlers anyway (going purely off prices of new cars) so it's really win-win. you mean i can pay less for gas AND less for the car itself? niiiiice.



i'm hoping i can buy a new car some time in 2015 and believe me, i'm looking at the teensy cars. i know families probably can't live with something that's only got two doors or has four but is small, but i also don't get people who buy huge suvs and trucks (i know said people so i'm not assuming just because a woman is driving her suv alone that she's single and childless) when they have no dogs or kids or anything to haul around. oh well.

my thoughts exactly, I was looking at getting a car this summer and was looking at fuel-efficient options but decided that the time wasn't right then. Even still, I would stick to the same criteria (small and efficient), no matter what the price of gas.

My grandfather just bought a giant SUV last month, and I have no idea why considering he lives completely on his own and has nothing to haul or carry. But he likes to sit up high and he feels safer in it, so if it makes him happy I have a hard time saying he shouldn't do it.


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[Mrs. Garrison]

On thing i noticed that surprised me was that many of the big SUVs can cost as much (or more) than a sports car. I guess i was ignorant to that somehow, though i shouldn't have been. But anyway, if a person drops 70 grand (or more) on a new SUV and then complains about high fuel prices then something is not right with them. You would think someone who could afford the cost of the vehicle wouldn't complain about the operating costs as well.

Having said that, of course, its nice to see cheaper oil and gas now as we've been getting screwed for years. Today the station near me is $1.73 per gallon. Thats awesome.