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Old 01-15-2013, 08:10 PM   #21
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Fully agreed on that. I've never really been supportive of the whole drone program. I get that it's partially to help keep our soldiers safer-the drones do the more dangerous stuff and all that-but it's technology. And technology can still mess things up. And our soldiers can still be in danger even with the drones around, and letting these drones do all the dirty work often seems to absolve us of any responsiblity for anything war-related. It distances us too much from the actual situation at hand.

I know we have to continue to have interaction with other countries because our policies have an effect on them and vice versa-we can't shut ourselves off from the rest of the world altogether, nor should we. But it'd be great if our interactions with other countries became less violent in general, and if we could pull our troops out of the wars we're currently still engaged in in some form or another and find other means to help our allies and other places that are struggling.
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This is an interesting interview with Obama: Barack Obama is Not Pleased | New Republic

Interesting to see him discuss his thoughts on gun control, the politics of Congress, etc. in some more detail.
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WASHINGTON -- A report Monday night on the nature of the administration's drone program has the potential to dramatically revamp the debate over President Barack Obama's foreign policy and the confirmation process for his incoming cabinet.
The report, by Michael Isikoff of NBC News, reveals that the Obama administration believes that high-level administration officials -- not just the president -- may order the killing of “senior operational leaders” of al-Qaida or an associated force even without evidence they are actively plotting against the U.S.
“A lawful killing in self-defense is not an assassination,” states the Justice Department white paper quoted by Isikoff.
The 16-page memo, given to Congress in June, is not the final Office of Legal Counsel memo that news organizations have sued to obtain. But it offers plenty of insight into the government’s justification for killing American citizens in overseas drone strikes.
DOJ Drones Paper: Obama's Second-Term Cabinet, Agenda Faces New Scrutiny

I'm not comfortable with this at all, especially if these Americans may not be an actual threat to the country. What happend to guilty until proven innocent?

While I usually roll my eyes at the Obama conspiracies that he plans to make himself dictator, these reports do not help to stop such beliefs. Meaning, while I truly don't believe he is planning to be our country's first dictator, these drone operations make me wonder what really is going on in Washington.
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He's just continuing along the same lines as all our other presidents. While I don't see us becoming a dictatorship, I do think we are moving to a hybrid of sorts.

We'll still have more freedom than other countries, but we'll also act in ways that goes against what our core beliefs stood for.

I'm not sure it's really a bad thing, but an evolution of the world in which we all live in.
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Old 02-05-2013, 06:20 PM   #25
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We'll still have more freedom than other countries, but we'll also act in ways that goes against what our core beliefs stood for.

I'm not sure it's really a bad thing, but an evolution of the world in which we all live in.
Just out of curiosity, which "core beliefs" do you see as disposable in the name of societal evolution?
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Old 02-06-2013, 10:38 AM   #26
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Didn't our government push through the Patriot Act? Do we not hold prisioners in a prison with no due process because we consider them enemy combatants? Do we not call for assinations of US citizens abroad because they might be linked to terrorist organizations? Wire tapping?

Notice I didn't label a specific group in the goverment being responsible for doing this, as both GOP and Dems have signed their names to the policies above.

Slippery slope. We want our country to be safe, but at what costs to our liberties?
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Old 02-06-2013, 11:32 AM   #27
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All these things I think ultimately make us more unsafe in the long run. We create our own enemies by using tactics that will appear unjust and wrong to most and the folks in power give themselves more, which remains a big surprise to many it seems. It's ridiculous.
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but most of us just ignore it or don't bother to pay attention and continue to elect those in power who keep taking away these freedoms.

All of the above is much more worriesome than guns, which is all that anyone ever seems to focus on.
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I think it was Orwell who discussed that basically we live in an inherently anti-democratic age. The musket was a cheap and affordable weapon for the masses and the state had little superior to it. No matter what guns people have available to them or how many if the government wanted to go all tyrannical it would win...we can't afford to have our own surface to air missiles and tanks (not that we should), but I think it goes to show the imbalance of power between the ruling class (for instance the dynasty of Bush's, Kennedy's and Clinton's, in the UK Cameron and Osbourne being of the old ruling class) and those below. It does seem to be an imbalance though we are loathe to rectify or even consider an alternative to. It may be naive to think we could create a more fair and populace involved form of government and it would be much more worse to consider this is the best we can get. I am also not talking about minor tweaks, I believe a more radical rethink is required to deal with the structural inequalities in the world in regards to political and economic systems.
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Didn't our government push through the Patriot Act? Do we not hold prisioners in a prison with no due process because we consider them enemy combatants? Do we not call for assinations of US citizens abroad because they might be linked to terrorist organizations? Wire tapping?

Notice I didn't label a specific group in the goverment being responsible for doing this, as both GOP and Dems have signed their names to the policies above.

Slippery slope. We want our country to be safe, but at what costs to our liberties?
Well said and a good question.

Do you see Obamacare and the nationalization of health records as an assault on personal liberty and privacy? You should. How about a $16 trillion and growing debt, what effect will that have on the economic freedom of future generations? How do you feel about speech codes, political correctness and hate crime legislation in regards to the 1st Amendment? How about the growing Nanny state and the banning of Big Gulps, Happy Meals, certain light bulbs and toilets, etc?
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Don't mind healthcare for everyone. We are paying for it regardless (those who don't have ins). It should be a basic right for any us citizen. Other countries do it, and while not as large as us, I think we're smart enough to figure it out.

I don't really see any issues with freedom of speech. I think we have it set up correctly but that's not to say that sometimes we can overstep in regards to protecting it with hate speech. Common sense should prevail.

As for the big gulps and other crackdowns, isn't that a state or local issue which is what I thought conservatives yearn for. Obviously a more liberal state is going to have some laws like these where more conservative state would seem to have a more lax law in regards to health or environment.

I think the law is silly and there are better and more dangerous topics to go after
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WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange weighed in on the brewing controversy surrounding the Obama administration's targeted killing program Friday night during an appearance on "Real Time With Bill Maher."

Assange railed against the revelation, made by NBC News earlier this week, that the U.S. government reserves the right to extrajudicially kill U.S. citizens, as long as they are perceived to be "imminent" terror threats -- with "imminence" being given an especially broad definition.

Said Assange:

You can be killed by someone in the White House, the president on down, completely arbitrary reasons. You won't know you're on the kill list until you're dead.

Lawyers, if you have a suspicion you might be on this kill list, they can't even represent you. That was the case for our lawyers, the Center for Constitutional Rights, trying to represent Anwar Al-Awlaki -- who was discovered to be on that kill list, and his son -- wasn't even allowed to be his lawyer, because he was part of a proscribed organization.

Anwar Al-Awlaki was an alleged al Qaeda militant whose assassination by drone strike in 2011 engendered a significant amount of controversy, as Awlaki was a U.S. citizen. His 16-year-old son, Abdulrahman, who was also a U.S. citizen, was killed two weeks later in a separate drone strike in Yemen.

Assange continued to hammer away at the U.S. government, saying:

...When an executive can kill its own citizens arbitrarily at will, in secret, without any of the decision making becoming public, without even the rules of procedure, without even the laws behind it being public -- that's why we need organizations like WikiLeaks.
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Old 02-13-2013, 09:55 PM   #33
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From Sen. Marco Rubio’s Republican response to the President’s State of the Union Address

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And the truth is every problem can’t be solved by government. Many are caused by the moral breakdown in our society. And the answers to those challenges lie primarily in our families and our faiths, not our politicians.

Despite our differences, I know that both Republicans and Democrats love America. I pray we can come together to solve our problems, because the choices before us could not be more important.

If we can get our economy healthy again, our children will be the most prosperous Americans ever.

And if we do not, we will forever be known as the generation responsible for America’s decline.

This dream – of a better life for their children – it’s the hope of parents everywhere. Politicians here and throughout the world have long promised that more government can make those dreams come true.

But we Americans have always known better. From our earliest days, we embraced economic liberty instead. And because we did, America remains one of the few places on earth where dreams like these even have a chance.
Clearly hateful, bigoted, xenophobic and anti-science.
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No, just vapid and self obsessed and platitudinous.

If he's the great Soanish speaking hope of the GOP, Hillary can start buying new pantsuits.
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Rubio: "More government isn't going to help you get ahead. It's going to hold you back. More government isn't going to create opportunities. It's going to limit them."

(later that same speech)

Rubio: "I believe in federal financial aid. I couldn’t have gone to college without it."

It seems Republicans think their only issue is image.
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Exactly.

Plus, more government in our lives is bad. Unless, of course, they're being used to make sure we live up to "good, moral Christian values". Then the government can get involved and run our lives all it wants!

But otherwise it's bad and we need to not rely on it so much.
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The clear implication here is that Obama and Reggie Love, the president's former personal assistant (also called a "body man") are dating. This is a claim that has been made before on various right-wing blogs, including the ultra-conservative WorldNetDaily (WND), which also claimed Love had been photographed "engaging in a homosexual act" at a party at the University of North Carolina.
Lively last year claimed Obama had once been married to a man and used a video and op-ed by tea party conspiracy theorist Jerome Corsi to back up his claim
Scott Lively, 'Kill The Gays' Bill Supporter, Pushes Claim Obama Is Gay, Dating Reggie Love

I don't know if the hate for Obama has gotten funnier or more pathetic. Yeah, pathetic works.
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It is quite amazing. When Bush was in office most you would hear is how dumb he is, draft dodger, war monger....

But nothing to the extreme of what Obama has seen thrown his way.
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Sixth-graders at St. Paul's Lutheran School in Waverly, Iowa, had their coming visit canceled as the White House suspended all tours under across-the-board government spending cuts in a partisan budget battle. The disappointed class put a video on Facebook asking for the tour to be reinstated. “The White House is our house, please let us visit,” the children say in unison.




Do not arouse the wrath of the great and powerful Obama.

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Obama Foodorama: Sen. Collins: No Food 'Taster' With President Obama, So He Didn't Eat At GOP Luncheon

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Sen. Collins: No Food 'Taster' With President Obama, So He Didn't Eat At GOP Luncheon

President Obama was offered a feast of Maine treats, including University of Maine lobster salad and Wild Blueberry Pie when he visited Senate Republicans for a Capitol Hill luncheon on Thursday. But he didn't touch a bite, Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) told reporters following the 1:30 PM eat n' greet. That's because the President didn't have a food "taster" with him, said Collins, who was responsible for the menu.
So now we find out our lawful and beloved Sovereign needs a royal food taster? But yet can't find the money to fund White House tours for the peasants.
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