RED (WIRE) - Video clip of a new Christmas U2 song (11/30/08)

[Peterrrrr]

I'm a tenor singer as a major and the frontman of every band I've been in. So I'm singing every day and night. I have the range of a tenor and a counter tenor.

And I can honestly say his voice is much better now. It's more powerful, more at ease, and has less strain. Granted people like me can easily hit those notes because that's where they more most comfortable singing-
But I'm extremely impressed with Bono' new voice. It gets stronger and he hits the higher notes better every time I hear something new from him. Good on him

 

[MrBTH]

I, too, am a bigger fan of the "new" Bono voice.

For me, of course, "Achtung Baby" is my favorite Bono album. It's the perfect combination of early-Bono strength and latter-Bono character.

But I'd much rather hear the Bono on ATYCLB and HTDAAB and especially newer tunes like this one, "Happy Birthday" and Wave of Sorrow. His voice sounds much more...lived-in. It's got character and soul.

Fully agree, I love pre-Achtung U2 but I's say I listen to those albums about a tenth as much as the later albums. It's because, for me, Bono's histrionics back then can get VERY tiresome after a while. I bought the Joshua Tree Deluxe set and I'm afraid that I found the included live performance to be bloody awful from a vocal point of view. These days I much prefer the more nuanced, subtle and controlled qualities of the vocal performances both live and in studio. Plus I think that recently he seems to have really regained his way with the high notes.

Oh and noone's going to change my mind by telling me I'm "insane", "wrong" or that it's a "FACT!!!" that Bono's singing was "BETTER!!!" in the 80's...

 

[martha]

I bought the Joshua Tree Deluxe set and I'm afraid that I found the included live performance to be bloody awful from a vocal point of view.

It's pretty much unlistenable for that very reason.

 

[last unicorn]

Greg Lake loved the cover of his song. His opinion may not matter because he's an actual musician who wrote the damn song, but here it is for those who enjoy relevant posts.


Would You Believe . . . ?

I really like what he says about the importance of a singer being sincere when singing, I feel it's so true.

 

[BVS]

Not to sound like a dick here...but what the hell is there not to "buy into" Its obvious that his singing was shit during Popmart, everyone said it was due to the wine, he subsequently forced to give up red wine allergy AS WELL AS the over use of his vocal chords while touring, and his voice got noticeably better and better towards the end of that tour then even better on the Elevation tour and then better on the Vertigo tour. There's really nothing to argue about. It is what it is. If YOU don't want to believe it then fine, there are still plenty of people in this world who think the earth is flat....be my guest, just don't be my pilot on a plane.

Did you read what I wrote? Bono's been talking about the wine allergy since ZooTV, so your explanation doesn't work...

As for the allergen thing....sorry, but you must either have absolutely ZERO experience with such severe allergens...or you are just trying to argue for the sake of arguing. Either way you are so way off that I hope you don't have an allergy one day. A peanut allergy for example can kill you within minutes...trust me, my dad nearly kicked it multiple times because idiot waiters didn't heed his food allergy warnings when serving him a dish with drizzles....DRIZZLES of nut oil. Thankfully he had an Epi pen with him or he'd be a memory.

What part are you not understanding? I do have allergies, and I used to work with allergy specialists and pharmaceuticals, so your swarmy attitude mixed with your lack of knowledge isn't working so well together. In order for your dad to have an attack he must have contact with peanut or peanut oil, when your dad is not in contact with peanut or peanut oil he is fine. You must have the allergen in your system in order for you to have a reaction, this is exactly what I told you earlier. So for an allergy to be effecting Bono's voice over a length of time means he had to have had the allergen in his system over a length of time, any idea how long alcohol stays in your system? If he gets dry itchy or even swelling in the throat from drinking wine the syptoms leave the body as soon as the allergen does, it's not like a cold that will linger. And if he already knew of the allergy years earlier, why was he still constantly drinking the red wine that he was allergic to while on tour? This is why I don't buy into this explanation, I think it was a nice spin.

This is from Wikipedia: "If untreated, anaphylactic shock can result in death due to obstruction of the upper or lower airway (bronchospasm) or hypotension and heart failure. This happens within minutes to hours of eating the peanuts"

Trust me...it stays in the system...and it can kill you.

I know all of this, and I'm not sure why you even bring this up, this goes to prove my earlier point that the symptoms will occur and only occur while the allergen is in your system, but once again allergens don't stick around like viruses or infections.

That being said wine allergies generally don't kill people, but it doesn't take much time at all to get the allergy and close up someone's throat. And your comment about having to drink wine everynight is also incorrect. Allergies can build over time because they revolve around one's immune system.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say here about allergies can build over time. Think of it this way, your dad has an attack he takes one dose of his Epi-pen, correct? Now he doesn't take multiple doses after that does he? They are not like a bacterium that can grow, they enter you react, once your body is rid of the allergen the reactions stops. So the sore throat, dry throat, or whatever it does to Bono doesn't linger after he's had the reaction.

If your immune system is compromised due to a number of things..in Bono's case: touring, eating badly, DRINKING, overuse of vocal chords, not being in your 20's etc. you are more likely to succumb to a food allergy at that time. My dad didn't have a nut allergy his entire life. He used to be able to eat handfuls upon handfuls of nuts since he was young. But for some reason, when he got older, and started taking various medications for blood pressure as well as his little affinity for "wine and spirits" he began to fall victim to ffod allergies...and thats why he's much more careful about what he eats and drinks and ALWAYS travels with his Epi pen.

You're right allergies can come as you grow older. But in Bono's case he already knew about it, plus Pop was probably the fittest Bono's ever been, if I'm not mistaken that was the time period when we first heard of Bono working with a trainer and running, etc...

I honestly think the straining finally caught up with him and then there was the biopsy... now I've never heard of anyone getting a biopsy for an allergy, so I'm thinking there was something benign that they weren't sure of at the time.

 

[PowerSurge]

Did you read what I wrote? Bono's been talking about the wine allergy since ZooTV, so your explanation doesn't work...


What part are you not understanding? I do have allergies, and I used to work with allergy specialists and pharmaceuticals, so your swarmy attitude mixed with your lack of knowledge isn't working so well together. In order for your dad to have an attack he must have contact with peanut or peanut oil, when your dad is not in contact with peanut or peanut oil he is fine. You must have the allergen in your system in order for you to have a reaction, this is exactly what I told you earlier. So for an allergy to be effecting Bono's voice over a length of time means he had to have had the allergen in his system over a length of time, any idea how long alcohol stays in your system? If he gets dry itchy or even swelling in the throat from drinking wine the syptoms leave the body as soon as the allergen does, it's not like a cold that will linger. And if he already knew of the allergy years earlier, why was he still constantly drinking the red wine that he was allergic to while on tour? This is why I don't buy into this explanation, I think it was a nice spin.


I know all of this, and I'm not sure why you even bring this up, this goes to prove my earlier point that the symptoms will occur and only occur while the allergen is in your system, but once again allergens don't stick around like viruses or infections.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say here about allergies can build over time. Think of it this way, your dad has an attack he takes one dose of his Epi-pen, correct? Now he doesn't take multiple doses after that does he? They are not like a bacterium that can grow, they enter you react, once your body is rid of the allergen the reactions stops. So the sore throat, dry throat, or whatever it does to Bono doesn't linger after he's had the reaction.



You're right allergies can come as you grow older. But in Bono's case he already knew about it, plus Pop was probably the fittest Bono's ever been, if I'm not mistaken that was the time period when we first heard of Bono working with a trainer and running, etc...

I honestly think the straining finally caught up with him and then there was the biopsy... now I've never heard of anyone getting a biopsy for an allergy, so I'm thinking there was something benign that they weren't sure of at the time.

Please don't talk down to me....I have more than enough knowledge of allergies to engage in any intelligent conversations regarding such matters. Save YOUR attitude for someone else partner...just because you have more posts then I do doesn't mean you're Einstein.

Its obvious that you are "much more intelligent than I am" or atleast thats what you come across as....but let me edify you a little bit about this salicylate allergy in case you might have been out partying the day they covered it in class:

This will help further explain my reasoning for why Bono could still be allergic to red wine and not be drinking red wine at the time of the reaction....i.e. mid performance (from: Salicylate Sensitivity - All about salicylates and salicylate sensitivity )

What is Salicylate Sensitivity/Salicylate Intolerance?

In high enough doses salicylates are harmful to everyone. However, most people can handle average amounts of salicylate in food, products and medications without any adverse affects on their health. But, there is a small percent of the population for which even a small dose of salicylates can be a problem. Some adults and children may develop symptoms and health problems from salicylates which are dose-related. This is called ‘Salicylate Sensitivity’ or ‘Salicylate Intolerance’ and is different than an allergy. People with salicylate intolerance are unable to handle more than a certain amount of salicylates at a time. The tolerated amount and items vary slightly from person to person. Salicylates also have a cumulative effect in the body and build up over time, this means that a salicylate sensitive person may be able to tolerate a small amount of salicylates but will experience symptoms after excessive exposure.

Furthermore: maybe I used the wrong word...maybe it was really an "intolerance"

What is the difference between intolerance and allergy?

Food Intolerance:

- Is a pharmacological reaction to the chemicals in foods (it is like the side effects of a drug).

- It can take up to 48 hours or more for a food intolerance reaction to occur. When a person is in regular contact with a problem food/chemical the symptoms can appear to be a chronic condition rather than a reaction to food.
- Food intolerance reactions are dose-related. Some people are more sensitive than others and will react to smaller doses while others are less sensitive and will only react to larger doses of the problem food/chemical.

- Currently there is no method of testing that can accurately determine food intolerance. Elimination diets are the best way to figure out if someone is food intolerant.

In contrast a Food Allergy:

- Is an immunological reaction to food proteins.

- Reactions happen quickly – usually within 30 minutes.

- A food allergy reaction can occur from the tiniest amount of an allergen.

- Food allergies can be tested for the most common method being skin prick tests or blood tests.


Why did he have a biopsy? It could have been a number of reasons. Trouble with his vocal chords? Duh, he's a professional singer with a grueling schedule...of course he's going to have wear and tare the older he gets. But to say that he all of a sudden changed his singing techniques at that point of his career is ridiculous. Please....its an ignorant inference with nothing to back it up. Its obvious that something else further perpetuated the problem.

Its extremely apparent that his voice and singing abilites as well as his stamina during grueling concert tours has gotten remarkably better during the Elevation tour and Vertigo Tours. You can't deny that. He sang much better in the last tour then the Popmart tour. Something had to change....something had to have been pinpointed as the problem and something had to have worked for such results to occur. The schedule didn't get any better....it was still long and grueling.

Hey, if you want to continue to argue and perseverate on your baseless point, then you can do it alone for I haven't the time. I will side with the U2 camp and actually believe what they attributed the problem to be and use my knowledge of said allergy to validate the claim as opposed to continue to chase down a mythical semi conspiracy theory that no one believes that helps facilitate your baseless argument.

Talk to you again on another thread. Cheers!

 

[AEKU2]

There's a lot of people in this forum who always need to win an argument. Take a chill pill guys. Who knows maybe haemorrhoids have resulted in Bono's voice deteriorating over the years. Since everyone on this forum knows sweet fuck all then maybe we should all tone down a little.

 

[last unicorn]

To be honest, this whole allergy discussion makes me feel a little uncomfortable. This is Bono's private stuff and his medical history really shouldn't be up for discussion at all. I feel that he has been reluctant to talk about it, it's really no one's business. I also wouldn't want him to go around talking about it because it would be pathetic. Whatever it is, it seems they have it under control because if if has affected his voice, it's better now.

 

[Vlad n U 2]

Seconded, I have a mild allergy and this discussion is making me feel a tad uneasy so lets get back on topic and discuss the Christmas cover song.

 

[Mr. V]

ah, Interference.

 

[The Sad Punk]

Please don't talk down to me....I have more than enough knowledge of allergies to engage in any intelligent conversations regarding such matters. Save YOUR attitude for someone else partner...just because you have more posts then I do doesn't mean you're Einstein.

Its obvious that you are "much more intelligent than I am" or atleast thats what you come across as....but let me edify you a little bit about this salicylate allergy in case you might have been out partying the day they covered it in class:

This will help further explain my reasoning for why Bono could still be allergic to red wine and not be drinking red wine at the time of the reaction....i.e. mid performance (from: Salicylate Sensitivity - All about salicylates and salicylate sensitivity )

What is Salicylate Sensitivity/Salicylate Intolerance?

In high enough doses salicylates are harmful to everyone. However, most people can handle average amounts of salicylate in food, products and medications without any adverse affects on their health. But, there is a small percent of the population for which even a small dose of salicylates can be a problem. Some adults and children may develop symptoms and health problems from salicylates which are dose-related. This is called ‘Salicylate Sensitivity’ or ‘Salicylate Intolerance’ and is different than an allergy. People with salicylate intolerance are unable to handle more than a certain amount of salicylates at a time. The tolerated amount and items vary slightly from person to person. Salicylates also have a cumulative effect in the body and build up over time, this means that a salicylate sensitive person may be able to tolerate a small amount of salicylates but will experience symptoms after excessive exposure.

Furthermore: maybe I used the wrong word...maybe it was really an "intolerance"

What is the difference between intolerance and allergy?

Food Intolerance:

- Is a pharmacological reaction to the chemicals in foods (it is like the side effects of a drug).

- It can take up to 48 hours or more for a food intolerance reaction to occur. When a person is in regular contact with a problem food/chemical the symptoms can appear to be a chronic condition rather than a reaction to food.
- Food intolerance reactions are dose-related. Some people are more sensitive than others and will react to smaller doses while others are less sensitive and will only react to larger doses of the problem food/chemical.

- Currently there is no method of testing that can accurately determine food intolerance. Elimination diets are the best way to figure out if someone is food intolerant.

In contrast a Food Allergy:

- Is an immunological reaction to food proteins.

- Reactions happen quickly – usually within 30 minutes.

- A food allergy reaction can occur from the tiniest amount of an allergen.

- Food allergies can be tested for the most common method being skin prick tests or blood tests.


Why did he have a biopsy? It could have been a number of reasons. Trouble with his vocal chords? Duh, he's a professional singer with a grueling schedule...of course he's going to have wear and tare the older he gets. But to say that he all of a sudden changed his singing techniques at that point of his career is ridiculous. Please....its an ignorant inference with nothing to back it up. Its obvious that something else further perpetuated the problem.

Its extremely apparent that his voice and singing abilites as well as his stamina during grueling concert tours has gotten remarkably better during the Elevation tour and Vertigo Tours. You can't deny that. He sang much better in the last tour then the Popmart tour. Something had to change....something had to have been pinpointed as the problem and something had to have worked for such results to occur. The schedule didn't get any better....it was still long and grueling.

Hey, if you want to continue to argue and perseverate on your baseless point, then you can do it alone for I haven't the time. I will side with the U2 camp and actually believe what they attributed the problem to be and use my knowledge of said allergy to validate the claim as opposed to continue to chase down a mythical semi conspiracy theory that no one believes that helps facilitate your baseless argument.

Talk to you again on another thread. Cheers!

It doesn't get any better than this.

 

[zwervers2]

To be honest, this whole allergy discussion makes me feel a little uncomfortable. This is Bono's private stuff and his medical history really shouldn't be up for discussion at all. I feel that he has been reluctant to talk about it, it's really no one's business. I also wouldn't want him to go around talking about it because it would be pathetic. Whatever it is, it seems they have it under control because if if has affected his voice, it's better now.

First of all I really don't think he needs your protection. Second, the man has a PERFECT privatlife for such a big star. Third, I am completely not interested in the mans medical istory but in 1997 when sometimes his voice sounded like he was around 76 years old I kinda wondered what went wrong with my favourite singer. Fourth: Everybody keeps nagging about the 80's being not so good vocalwise yet almost no one mentoines his best periode: AB plus Zooropa. This is by far his best singing period where he sounded sexy, rockn roll and arrogant at the same time. He didnt rush through the verses he nailed the high voice and he had this incredible flexible falsetto(listen to mysterious ways or bullet in 1992/93 and compare this to he mess it has become nowadays). To conclude: if there is someone I idolize, it is Bono. the man has been an inspiration since 1984 and it was for him that I wanted to sing and wirte music. The most incredible moment with him was during a concert in rotterdam in 1997 during streets where his voice was allready a bit worn in comparison to the AB period but he still sounded good. we had the best standingplace in the house and when he made the transition from please to streets he looked me right in the eyes. I made a signal with me thumb, something like "are you okay"? and he gave me a thumb back. Just for that moment alone I will never say anything really bad about the man or the band but I can not stand this "oh everything they do is fantastic" because it is not. I really hope the new album will be a better more impressive outing than the last two records and I hope Bono (and Edge for that matter who doesnt impress me guitarwise for some strange reason with the last two records) will deliver the goods this time. This christmascover form some reason makes me think that they will and that 2009 will be a fantastic year for U2. I really really hope so. God bless 'm

 

[last unicorn]

You are of course entitled to your opinion, I won't take part in this argument any longer because some people here think they have all the facts just because they insist on their opinion. But there are people out there who love U2 and who genuinely care about them as human beings, not only as rock stars, so I think I have the right to say that I don't want Bono's private and medical matters discussed publicly because I feel it's disrespectful.

 

[zwervers2]

You are of course entitled to your opinion, I won't take part in this argument any longer because some people here think they have all the facts just because they insist on their opinion. But there are people out there who love U2 and who genuinely care about them as human beings, not only as rock stars, so I think I have the right to say that I don't want Bono's private and medical matters discussed publicly because I feel it's disrespectful.

Point taken but I am sorry to say that what you say seems a bit of a contradiction. The funny thing is that 99,99% of the people love them because they are rockstars. If they would not be famous no one except some friends and family would give a damn about Paul Hewson, Dave Evans etc. the reason we love them is because we "know" them as we would love to know them and see them as some sort of relative or friend eventhough we couldn't be further away from that. I am completely convinced that Bono for instance is somewhat of an arrogant selfcentred guy who thinks very highly of himself (I see that someone everyday in the mirror and it takes one to know one they say ). Is that a problem, off course not. they make great music and that is their job and we "love"them for THAT. Theirs is NO relationship at all with the band except for the love for the music that they made. When you care about them as human beings because you love them it is not strange that you talk about their personal problems as if they were family or friend. I believe that is also one of the biggest strenghts of the band. The persons (especially Bono) make you beleive that you know them.

I really think that there are some rules however when it commes to discussing topics on the internet. The sickness of Edge his daughter for instance. I think it is important to let the fans know that that might have been the reason for cancelling shows but to go into full detail and talking how things are progressing with the disease are a different story because it is completely irrelevant and a personal issue. When it involves someones singing voice and the problems he has who happens to be leadsinger in the biggest band in the world I think it is a different story but that is my view on things and everybody ,thank God, is entitled to their own opinion. To conclude, I understand the mix up sometimes between loving them for who they are or loving them for what you want them to be and if desired you can have it both ways. I just don't think it is realistic

 

[maycocksean]

Talk to me when Bobo can sing like this(which will be never!)
YouTube - u2-With or Without you(rattle and hum)

Well, I just enjoyed that immensely. But then I just enjoy the band in general. I guess that's why I'm a fan. some things I enjoy more than others, but in general U2 makes me happy.

 

[BoyOnTheHorizon]

You are of course entitled to your opinion, I won't take part in this argument any longer because some people here think they have all the facts just because they insist on their opinion. But there are people out there who love U2 and who genuinely care about them as human beings, not only as rock stars, so I think I have the right to say that I don't want Bono's private and medical matters discussed publicly because I feel it's disrespectful.

 

[last unicorn]

Point taken but I am sorry to say that what you say seems a bit of a contradiction. The funny thing is that 99,99% of the people love them because they are rockstars. If they would not be famous no one except some friends and family would give a damn about Paul Hewson, Dave Evans etc. the reason we love them is because we "know" them as we would love to know them and see them as some sort of relative or friend eventhough we couldn't be further away from that. I am completely convinced that Bono for instance is somewhat of an arrogant selfcentred guy who thinks very highly of himself (I see that someone everyday in the mirror and it takes one to know one they say ). Is that a problem, off course not. they make great music and that is their job and we "love"them for THAT. Theirs is NO relationship at all with the band except for the love for the music that they made. When you care about them as human beings because you love them it is not strange that you talk about their personal problems as if they were family or friend. I believe that is also one of the biggest strenghts of the band. The persons (especially Bono) make you beleive that you know them.

I really think that there are some rules however when it commes to discussing topics on the internet. The sickness of Edge his daughter for instance. I think it is important to let the fans know that that might have been the reason for cancelling shows but to go into full detail and talking how things are progressing with the disease are a different story because it is completely irrelevant and a personal issue. When it involves someones singing voice and the problems he has who happens to be leadsinger in the biggest band in the world I think it is a different story but that is my view on things and everybody ,thank God, is entitled to their own opinion. To conclude, I understand the mix up sometimes between loving them for who they are or loving them for what you want them to be and if desired you can have it both ways. I just don't think it is realistic

I think it's fair to say that we cannot "know" them on a personal level, of course we know them mostly for being rockstars. I also don't pretend I know them on a personal level. I like Bono because he's a very complex and often contradictory person. There is stuff I like more and stuff I like less about him, but I wouldn't like him "as a person" and would have a hard time liking him in general if I believed he's a total asshole. From what I know about him I BELIEVE him to be a certain person. I've seen and read a lot of stuff about him and I think it's fair to assume that you can get to know the person behind the rock star a little if you read the books and interviews. Of couse he has a private side, like all of the band members' have, that we are not supposed to know. And yes, of course we wouldn't know and love them if they weren't rockstars and famous, because we probably wouldn't know who they are.

Yes, maybe he's arrogant and selfish, he's saying that of himself, many ambitious people, visionaries and idealists are like this, but I wouldn't say he thinks so highly of himself. Of course, that's just my impression. In all the years I haven't read or heard anything that makes me think he's a total asshole, even though there are and have been situations where I could only shake my head and think: Oh Bono, what are you doing. But on the other hand, this happens with people in your everyday life as well.

Of course there is a private interest, I just don't think the medical condition should be part of that, unless they talk about it themselves. I've noticed that Bono hasn't talked about it in recent years, so we don't know how he is today, except for his bad back, now that's wild enough.

 

[last unicorn]

And my comment is so funny because?

Anyway, I'm glad you're having a good time.

 

[Registered Dude]

And my comment is so funny because?

Anyway, I'm glad you're having a good time.

go easy on him.. he's just a little boy

as for the video, nice to see so much emphasis on the performance. U2 have given us a dynamic, tasteful, artful, christmas gift.

 

[BVS]

but will experience symptoms after EXCESSIVE EXPOSURE.

REGULAR CONTACT with a problem food/chemical the symptoms can appear to be a chronic condition rather than a reaction to food.

And if you know of such allergy, and you've already stated how you deal with such allergy, then why when singing is your life would you continue regular excessive contact while on tour? He's already stated that he can drink certain wines...

But to say that he all of a sudden changed his singing techniques at that point of his career is ridiculous. Please....its an ignorant inference with nothing to back it up. Its obvious that something else further perpetuated the problem.

I never once said or inferred any of this...

You may want to go back and read some of my posts.

Hey, if you want to continue to argue and perseverate on your baseless point, then you can do it alone for I haven't the time. I will side with the U2 camp and actually believe what they attributed the problem to be and use my knowledge of said allergy to validate the claim as opposed to continue to chase down a mythical semi conspiracy theory that no one believes that helps facilitate your baseless argument.

I'm not sure what your problem is, but no one made claims of a conspiracy theory. Like I said before, I think it was just spin...

But anyways I heard there was a Christmas song out...

 

[Acrobat51829]

I just enjoy the band in general. I guess that's why I'm a fan. some things I enjoy more than others, but in general U2 makes me happy.

Cheers to that.

 

[zwervers2]

Yes, maybe he's arrogant and selfish, he's saying that of himself, many ambitious people, visionaries and idealists are like this, but I wouldn't say he thinks so highly of himself.

Thank you for the compliment

And I have to agree with you on the "thinks so highly of himself" part. He is pretty insecure sometimes actually. Trust me, I know

 

[last unicorn]

Thank you for the compliment

On the other hand: Not everyone who is arrogant and selfish is automatically a visionary.

Honestly, so what? Everyone has good and bad sides to their personalities. I've always been interested in the human beings behind the stars and images.

 

[zwervers2]

I

 

[zwervers2]

On the other hand: Not everyone who is arrogant and selfish is automatically a visionary.

I speak highly of myself though, maybe that counts for something

 

[BoyOnTheHorizon]

And my comment is so funny because?

Anyway, I'm glad you're having a good time.

Why do you think??? Its funny how you consider Bono and the "guys" your buddies!

Lets not get too far, this is pop music, good art and entertainment. As much part of our lives as their music is, they are nothing more than celebrities, rock stars. So please come back to earth and read again what you just wrote. And please i'm seriuous, i'm don't mean to be ofensive with you.

 

[MrBTH]

Why do you think??? Its funny how you consider Bono and the "guys" your buddies!

Lets not get too far, this is pop music, good art and entertainment. As much part of our lives as their music is, they are nothing more than celebrities, rock stars. So please come back to earth and read again what you just wrote. And please i'm seriuous, i'm don't mean to be ofensive with you.

If that's how you wish to objectify the members of U2, as "nothing more than celebrities, rock stars" then so be it. Quite a depressing attitude if you ask me. I'd like to think that most decent people will obviously choose to take a somewhat more humane approach to the matter and have some concept of the fact that these people have feelings, they breathe, eat, sleep and they have health issues just like the rest of us. That dosen't mean we think they are our "buddies", wherever you pulled that idea from...

I really think it's you who needs to re-read things that you have written to see how arrogantly you come across from time to time rather than being so quick to laugh at or criticize the posts of others.

 

[U2Fanatic4ever]

arrogant is definitely a word that comes to mind.

 

[PowerSurge]

And if you know of such allergy, and you've already stated how you deal with such allergy, then why when singing is your life would you continue regular excessive contact while on tour? He's already stated that he can drink certain wines...

I never once said or inferred any of this...

You may want to go back and read some of my posts.

I'm not sure what your problem is, but no one made claims of a conspiracy theory. Like I said before, I think it was just spin...

But anyways I heard there was a Christmas song out...

Whatever dude...I've already wasted enough time on this subject...I'm pretty much done. The argument is pretty much moot and you are too proud to admit it. It all comes down to if you believe whether or not what the U2 camp is saying is true or not. I think I've more than proved the fact that an intollerance to a food substance can affect people over time and occur over a prolonged time period so long as said intollerance is introduced into the subject's diet in a consistent basis.

You are still holding on to your belief that what the U2 organization says is incorrect. Well, good for you..some people still believe that JFK was shot by multiple gunmans and that Americans never landed on the moon. Keep believing that if you must...but I'm going to err on the side of sensibility and common sense.

As I said...this argument is moot. So I'm done with it. Believe what you wanna believe..but don't sit there and tell me that what the U2 camp has attributed Bono's vocal problems to be is inplausible...because its very plausible. It all comes down to whether or not you want to believe the organization....which we don't agree on. Could they have been lying? of course...but unless you're Perry Mason or Matlock and are privy to some secret info unbeknownest to the rest of us....you are just spewing a conspiracy theory that has no merit.

I've read many of your posts...and I think you're a cool dude...we just disagree on this point. No problem....doesn't mean we can't be friends. Thanks for the debate though....it was kind of cool!

Have a nice day.

 

[PowerSurge]

To be honest, this whole allergy discussion makes me feel a little uncomfortable. This is Bono's private stuff and his medical history really shouldn't be up for discussion at all. I feel that he has been reluctant to talk about it, it's really no one's business. I also wouldn't want him to go around talking about it because it would be pathetic. Whatever it is, it seems they have it under control because if if has affected his voice, it's better now.

1. If you feel uncomfortable then ignore the conversation and move on...you completely have the right not to comment on all of the posts in every thread.

2. It was completely pertinent to the flow of the conversation, though slightly off topic was right on point to where the thread had gone.

3. Its not private stuff, especially when its been documented multiple times and revealed publicly by Bono himself..therefore its public domain and well within the relm of conversation about Bono and the band so get over yourself.

Have a nice day!