Show me the post please. I've searched the recent Politics threads here and cannot find it. I'd love to see it.
i may have you confused with someone else who has a lot of numbers in their name. if so, my apologies.
my guess is, however, that you were likely confident -- as many of us were! -- that the D's would lose big in 2022. but Joe Biden proved us all wrong.
I do, in fact. Two of my wife's cousins. Not well, of course (does anyone know their spouse's cousins well?), but I "know" them. They were at our wedding, etc. Why do you ask?
because if you knew what trans people go through, and have gone through, in order to accept themselves and to be accepted by society, you'd have a more nuanced and compassionate take on this entire issue, and you wouldn't toss around the term "groomer" when the only actual example of grooming thats come up in this thread is the awful thing that happened to Headache.
you should apologize to him.
Did you not read my post? I said he likely is because he lives in Oregon (just as someone in Texas is mathematically likely a Republican), but that doesn't matter. You missed that part.
LemonMelon answered this.
and i had a typo. should have sad "ad hom."
Sorry, but you don't get to make the rules. If I see someone manipulating and exploiting children for sexual purposes, I'll call them a groomer. The sexual abuse of minors, like allowing 9-year-olds to transition, is in fact something I'm going to stand up against. Sorry that bothers you
and this is where if you actually knew trans folks, or have been to a drag show, or knew anything at all beyond what you read on twitter, you'd know what is and what isn't grooming, and that it's wild, inaccurate, hateful application to literally anyone who speaks in favor of protecting trans kids or queer kids is actually kind of Doug's point, distorted as his actual quote has become on the twitter right. you've proved his point? when we call people we don't like slurs like groomer, we dehumanize them. when we pass legislation like "don't say gay" we dehumanize them and try to write them out of public life.
literally everyone here is like, "that teacher was inappropriate and should be fired." you are taking a single, easy example and trying to pretend that there's some sort of systemic problem here.
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Cherry-picking, really? Between this story, and child drag shows (which are perverted and not normal, no matter how much you guys here mock the opposition to them), and teachers encouraging their students to experiment with their gender, and so-called "experts" saying that wanting your child to grow up to be cisgender is "unethical,".... there's a disturbing trend, and as a parent, it's one that I'm going to fight against when I see it. This goes well beyond basic sex-ed. This is grooming at worst, and weird and gross at best.
none of this is "grooming." all of this is the worst, most bad faith take you can possibly have, mixed with a huge amount of ignorance that shows the research skills of someone who browses Twitter briefly and gets upset and looks for a way to reach out and own some libs (which is the point of right wing Twitter). you don't have examples, you have feelings and isolated incidents that are already suspect in their framing, such as teachers "encouraging" students to experiment with their gender. what evidence do you have beyond Libs of Tik Tok? this isn't systemic, "encouraging experimentation" isn't part of any official school policy.
also, this:
and so-called "experts" saying that wanting your child to grow up to be cisgender is "unethical,"
would love to see the source for this quote, because i think we have a distortion here. as a gay person, i do think it's unethical to pressure or force your child to be cis or straight or something other than their identity. there are times when parents are their child's first bully -- and, in some cases, their only bully. students need resources and students need places to go when the problem starts at home. do you know how many homeless kids are LGBTQ+? do you know what the rates of suicide are for trans youth? do you know how many religious kids were sent to christian camps to make them straight and lived lives of shame and misery? can we agree that this is a bad thing?
this is the actual problem that schools are trying to address. there are children who need help, and helping children is not "grooming" -- which is just the most disgusting thing i can think of to call this. and this is where my rage comes out.
i grew up in the 80s and 90s and if maybe just once i had been given a positive example of a gay person somewhere in the media or in the books that we read maybe i wouldn't have hated myself for being gay for so long and been in the closet for as long as i was. literally, all i can think of is Pedro Zamora from Real World) and hadn't been subjected to what was absolutely homophobic sex ed that gave no information on at least the mechanics of gay sex (and this was in a blue state!) that's not fucking grooming! that's information that i could have used to protect myself. i didn't have the internet in those days. all i had was a society that told me that gay was bad, that gay was a pejorative for literally everything, and that "queer" was the last word you heard before someone punched you in the face. and i could pass! i was not obviously gay at all as a teenager. it was way, way worse for other teenagers. i remember two athletes talking about trailing one of the obviously gay kids in my school in their car as he walked down the road and they called slurs and threw trash at him.
that's grooming. grooming for a lifetime of mental health issues and suicidal tendencies.
Between this story, and child drag shows (which are perverted and not normal, no matter how much you guys here mock the opposition to them),
honestly, here, fuck off. you don't know what you're talking about. drag queens are, at the end of the day, clowns. they are adults in makeup and costumes and they sing songs and dance and make jokes in order to entertain. it's performance. of course some of it is inappropriate for children. you know what? Chris Rock's latest standup special on Nextflix was far more child-unfriendly than any drag show I've ever been to, and i've seen Trixie and Katya live on stage. and guess what? both were brilliant, and as a parent, i should have the choice to show or shield my child from either. you don't get to do that for me.
what do you think happens when a 9-year old transitions?
