Globo14
Refugee
Let me clarify: I never said that So Cruel was bad. It's still a decent song, but it's not what I prefer to listen to most of the time. It's the weakest song on the album in my opinion.
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PhilsFan
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It's got really bad mixing. It's The Edge's best album by far, but you'd have no idea unless you heard ZooTV because his guitar is so fucking low in the mix. It would be my favorite U2 album if it weren't for that.
LadySpinHead
Refugee
Love the whole album, not a bad song on it. One of my favorite albums ever. But that being said:
1. Studio versions of TTTYAATW and Mysterious Ways are great, but the ZooTV live version of both are better. Especially MW- so funky, and love the piano part. And TTTYAATW live just enchants me for some reason. Now it is hard for me to go back to the album versions.
2. For a while, as a casual fan who didn't pay a lot of attention to the CD and its nuances, I would often get UTEOTW, Acrobat, Ultraviolet and occasionally TTTYAATW all mixed up. There is something similar about those songs, not quite sure in what way, though. Now of course, after many listens I think that's funny I ever had that problem.
3. I can't listen to One without thinking "Bacon, bacon, bacon, haaaaaaaam."
1. Studio versions of TTTYAATW and Mysterious Ways are great, but the ZooTV live version of both are better. Especially MW- so funky, and love the piano part. And TTTYAATW live just enchants me for some reason. Now it is hard for me to go back to the album versions.
2. For a while, as a casual fan who didn't pay a lot of attention to the CD and its nuances, I would often get UTEOTW, Acrobat, Ultraviolet and occasionally TTTYAATW all mixed up. There is something similar about those songs, not quite sure in what way, though. Now of course, after many listens I think that's funny I ever had that problem.
3. I can't listen to One without thinking "Bacon, bacon, bacon, haaaaaaaam."
Yeah. Edge is totally the one NOT all over the album, drowning out everyone else.
Galeongirl
Galeonbroad
I'm glad U2girl told us that JT is clearly the better album. So guys, we're all wrong then, as what I remember in all the polls done on here AB always came out winner.
I'll hand in my U2 fan card now for giving JT the third spot in my fave U2 albums list.
I'll hand in my U2 fan card now for giving JT the third spot in my fave U2 albums list.
Nick66
Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS
No, it doesn't have bad mixing, geez. That album sounds near perfect as it is, and apparently the band agrees. I'm not saying Edge's guitar isn't relatively low (it is), but it's right where it needs to be in the overall sound of that record.
It's not my favourite U2 album either (it comes just after TUF and JT), but that has nothing to do w/the (stellar) production of the album.
Mrs. Garrison
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The Panther
Refugee
No need to understand the 'Acrobat' hype -- it exists only with certain core Interference posters (see also, the 'Moment of Surrender' hype).
lazarus
Blue Crack Supplier
I'm not sure how one can consider something a masterpiece and then skip parts of it.
it set the bar too high.
flybabe
Blue Crack Addict
The song that blows the album out of the water has to be EBTTRT, while the song that waters everything up So Cruel. Other than that, I got nothing.
financeguy
ONE love, blood, life
Agree completely. AB, excellent though it is, has dated somewhat. JT is more akin to a fine wine that matures with age.
gvox
Ghost of Love
PhilsFan said:
This.
financeguy said:
Humanly impossible for me to disagree more.
LadySpinHead
Refugee
Of course it's dated- supermodels, heads of state, leading ladies- dated them all. AB gets around.
PhilsFan
Blue Crack Addict
I didn't realize Even Better than the Real Thing had a verse riff until they played it live. Same with the chorus of Zoo Station. I can name other examples if you want to play this game. Or maybe you can just send me a bizarre PM about it and then block me from responding again. That would be the most mature thing to do.
I can't hear Edge's parts half the time. The parts I mentioned above, the mess at the end of UTEOTW, the mess at the end of The Fly, Bono drowning him out on Love Is Blindness, etc.
The production is far from stellar. It's not "right where it needs to be." ZooTV's mixing is right where it needs to be.
The Panther
Refugee
Didn't Edge do the final mix of the album?
I dunno, you can make the argument either way. Yeah, maybe the guitars could have been more prominent on a few tracks, but then again the band were very conscious at the time of not being too far out with their new release. And also Edge's guitar is all over the thing, from start to finish, and I think maybe they wanted to emphasize the rhythm section a bit more.
They don't have to worry as much about pleasing casual fans live, whereas an album in the early 90s could be purchased by 10 million people and thus risks a lot by being too heavy, distorted, or industrial-sounding. But then again, "The Fly" was the first single and it wasn't exactly hiding the guitar.
I dunno, you can make the argument either way. Yeah, maybe the guitars could have been more prominent on a few tracks, but then again the band were very conscious at the time of not being too far out with their new release. And also Edge's guitar is all over the thing, from start to finish, and I think maybe they wanted to emphasize the rhythm section a bit more.
They don't have to worry as much about pleasing casual fans live, whereas an album in the early 90s could be purchased by 10 million people and thus risks a lot by being too heavy, distorted, or industrial-sounding. But then again, "The Fly" was the first single and it wasn't exactly hiding the guitar.
cobl04
45:33
The Panther said:
what?
Saracene
Rock n' Roll Doggie VIP PASS
So Cruel bores me to tears. UTEOTW is rather tame compared to the live versions and I only really love One when it's played live as well - I've never been a fan of Bono's vocals on the original. Overall, the album for me consists of some of my most loved U2 songs ever and songs that I don't really care much for.
Yahweh_OMG
New Yorker
Just perfect, nothing else to add..... best album ever maybe.
Nick66
Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS
Well, of course you're entitled to your opinion...you want to hear more guitar, I understand that. But the band obviously disagrees...when they had the chance to change the mix of the album this year, they didn't, and Edge himself said they were very happy w/the sound of the record.
We do agree that the songs sound better live, and I generally prefer the live versions of the AB songs...but that doesn't reflect disappointment with how AB is mixed...I generally think most U2 songs sound better live.
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blueeyedgirl
Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS
Hey didn't you read the title of this thread? Praise has no place here!!!
Yahweh_OMG
New Yorker
gman
New Yorker
heres my CONTROVERSIAL Negative Statement regarding AB......u2 LOST a lot of fans over it
gman
New Yorker
^I dont include myself in that tho
ha!
