GibsonGirl said:I do NOT want drum solos.
I do.
To be fair, though, I don't think there are very many interesting drummers around these days anyway.
Mike Portnoy.
GibsonGirl said:I do NOT want drum solos.
To be fair, though, I don't think there are very many interesting drummers around these days anyway.
Anticipation said:As a long time fan who has been sitting back and reading things in this forum since 2000 and posted occasionally, I am amazed about how so many people here post how U2 is in decline when they just won the Album of the Year grammy and are once again universally accepted throughout the world as the biggest band in the world. Also, the rumours of U2 retiring or breaking up has been going on at least since 1992 and they haven't so I really think people need to stop obsessing. I remeber being at the awesome first show of Zoo TV in Lakeland, Florida on leap day 1992 and people saying that this may be their last tour. And that was over 14 years ago.
Yahweh said:
Bud people here think they know everything, don't get too uptight about it. They are all an armchair critic because they can be, and they will be because the Internet gives them the ability to do so.
All of them will say U2 is in decline over rated....subpar musicians that should have never made it man they are terrible. Lets all come here kiss the ass of every other band that remotely sounds expirimental and call them the greatest thing since sliced bread. Selling 130 million albums means nothing these days goddamn sellout bastards. They should stop milking the public and retire already! Grammys, who needs those, infact if you win one you are a sellout! U2 shouldnt be selling records, they shouldnt be charging such high prices for seats and they should be playing in my livingroom but only the songs I want to hear man....they should be making my lifes soundtrack and I could care less what anybody else wants and even what the band wants!
Screwtape2 said:
What a disgraceful post. You have taken logical arguments from other posters and warped them in a way as to demean thier views. If you were to actually read other people's opinions you might understand where they are coming from. Yahweh, why would you write something like this? It might be sarcasm but they way you presented it was rude to those who have posted in this thread. The things you have put in your post are misrepresentations and the rest have been properly defended by those on this thread.
Yahweh said:
they should be making my lifes soundtrack and I could care less what anybody else wants and even what the band wants!
Yahweh said:
Bud people here think they know everything, don't get too uptight about it. They are all an armchair critic because they can be, and they will be because the Internet gives them the ability to do so.
All of them will say U2 is in decline over rated....subpar musicians that should have never made it man they are terrible. Lets all come here kiss the ass of every other band that remotely sounds expirimental and call them the greatest thing since sliced bread. Selling 130 million albums means nothing these days goddamn sellout bastards. They should stop milking the public and retire already! Grammys, who needs those, infact if you win one you are a sellout! U2 shouldnt be selling records, they shouldnt be charging such high prices for seats and they should be playing in my livingroom but only the songs I want to hear man....they should be making my lifes soundtrack and I could care less what anybody else wants and even what the band wants!
Well I don't quite know where to go after that.Anticipation said:Grammy's are not the be all thing but Album of the Year is special to the band themselves and to critics and to many many people. For U2 to have one in 87 for Joshua Tree and then one almost 20 years later for Bomb is quite an accomplishment. I think Actung Baby and ATYCLB should have won over that stupid Oh Brother soundtrack. It shouldn't have been eligible since it was a soundtrack and with different artists. But at least they got the respect to win those 2.
I think that U2 with the last two albums are more respected now by more people then ever before. I loved all of them Actung and Pop and Bomb. The only thing I can't too into is the remixes that take away too much of U2 and their instruments. These are almost tributes of U2 with Bono's vocal (ex Mofo remixes) Each one period sets up the next. The return to basics in ATYCLB would not have been as appreciated or possible if they never left them with Zooropa or Pop. The Beatles back to rock basics in the White album would not have been as appreciated without Pepper or Magical Mystery Tour.
Yahweh said:
Bud people here think they know everything, don't get too uptight about it. They are all an armchair critic because they can be, and they will be because the Internet gives them the ability to do so.
All of them will say U2 is in decline over rated....subpar musicians that should have never made it man they are terrible. Lets all come here kiss the ass of every other band that remotely sounds expirimental and call them the greatest thing since sliced bread. Selling 130 million albums means nothing these days goddamn sellout bastards. They should stop milking the public and retire already! Grammys, who needs those, infact if you win one you are a sellout! U2 shouldnt be selling records, they shouldnt be charging such high prices for seats and they should be playing in my livingroom but only the songs I want to hear man....they should be making my lifes soundtrack and I could care less what anybody else wants and even what the band wants!
Utoo said:
Yahweh, I'll get your back. I can recognize that you're joking, yet also making a point. That point, at least as I see it, is that we all think that we're right, and that the same anti-U2 arguments come out in ever-repeating cycles. Screwtape & phillyfan, you'll see...once you've been on here for a year or so, you'll see that the same things get repeated over and over. When there's nothing going on, people here bicker with each other. When something new comes up---i.e., beach clips, big tour news, album/dvd news---everyone bands together and gets genuinely excited. Not too long after, though, the same arguments come back up, often made by the same people. U2 are sellouts. U2 only care about money now but they never did before. U2 aren't playing in my part of the world. Bono's getting fat. They've lost their fire, they're not creative or experimental anymore. Blah blah blah. What's funny is that the same 20 people who complain that U2 aren't experimental (yet who fail to recognize that neither ATYCLB nor HTDAAB sound like any other U2 album, not most other bands' records, BTW) make the same exact argument every time-----pretty "unexperimental" if you ask me. It all inevitably leads to someone writing a post like mine, or some sad sap who gets his or her feelings hurt by some words on a screen and writes this long goodbye post about how things used to be nicer when he or she joined the forum years/months ago. The anti-00's U2 folk end up getting shittily arrogant and won't recognize any pro-new U2 argument, as if real music lovers simply cannot accept current U2. One of the only answers is to do what Yahweh did---point out how ridiculous some of the arguments are and leave it at that.
Moral of the story: It's all fun and games. Enjoy U2. Like an era, like all the eras, whatever. U2 will do what they want to do. Like their choices or not. Just don't become an arrogant poster speaking with the voice of God (I guess like I'm doing now ). Recognize that everyone has their own opinion, that many of these opinions recycle now and then, and that sometimes the most striking or vocal of posters are the ones who disagree with you. And in the end, remember:
Utoo said:
Yahweh, I'll get your back. I can recognize that you're joking, yet also making a point. That point, at least as I see it, is that we all think that we're right, and that the same anti-U2 arguments come out in ever-repeating cycles. Screwtape & phillyfan, you'll see...once you've been on here for a year or so, you'll see that the same things get repeated over and over. When there's nothing going on, people here bicker with each other. When something new comes up---i.e., beach clips, big tour news, album/dvd news---everyone bands together and gets genuinely excited. Not too long after, though, the same arguments come back up, often made by the same people. U2 are sellouts. U2 only care about money now but they never did before. U2 aren't playing in my part of the world. U2 don't vary their setlists enough. Bono's getting fat. They've lost their fire, they're not creative or experimental anymore. Blah blah blah. What's funny is that the same 20 people who complain that U2 aren't experimental (yet who fail to recognize that neither ATYCLB nor HTDAAB sound like any other U2 album, not most other bands' records, BTW) make the same exact argument every time-----pretty "unexperimental" if you ask me. It all inevitably leads to someone writing a post like mine, or some sad sap who gets his or her feelings hurt by some words on a screen and writes this long goodbye post about how things used to be nicer when he or she joined the forum years/months ago. The anti-00's U2 folk end up getting shittily arrogant and won't recognize any pro-new U2 argument, as if real music lovers simply cannot accept current U2. One of the only answers is to do what Yahweh did---point out how ridiculous some of the arguments are and leave it at that.
Moral of the story: It's all fun and games. Enjoy U2. Like an era, like all the eras, whatever. U2 will do what they want to do. Like their choices or not. Just don't become an arrogant poster speaking with the voice of God (I guess like I'm doing now ). Recognize that everyone has their own opinion, that many of these opinions recycle now and then, and that sometimes the most striking or vocal of posters are the ones who disagree with you. And in the end, remember:
phillyfan26 said:
I've seen it already. His point was made. But, I disagree with him quoting someone who was kidding and trying to drag that person into the discussion.
Axver said:
Mike Portnoy.
Yahweh said:Ive been on this site since it started, off and on, and yes believe it or not the same arguements were made about the POP album close to 10 years ago, in this very forum, whether people believe me is up to them.
People can discuss all they want I am all for discussion, and while I was joking, I was also making a very real point here, that history repeats itself in this forum over and over again, just with a different cast of characters.
Continue with the thread.
if you don't like this thread, forum, whatever, you're more than welcome to leave.Yahweh said:Bud people here think they know everything, don't get too uptight about it. They are all an armchair critic because they can be, and they will be because the Internet gives them the ability to do so.
JMScoopy said:
i want guitar solos
Utoo said:
KhanadaRhodes said:
if you don't like this thread, forum, whatever, you're more than welcome to leave.
this is the second time i've had to warn someone in this thread. i won't warn anyone in this thread again.
bram said:
The simple fact is that U2 has been on a mission post-Pop to become relevant in a popularity sense. They want to be acknowledged as the biggest band in the world. Bono has said it many times. In light of this, the albums were a concerted effort to write straight-forward rock/pop songs (which U2 has never done before by the way, making this decade technically uncharted (experimental) territory--the Joshua Tree blow-up in popularity was just one of the those inexplicable things). The idea was to get the music out there, sell a lot, win awards, get on MTV, etc. This has been known since Bono started saying as much in 2000. U2, at this point in their career, doesn't want to record the kind of music that would blow away the fans but alienate the masses. At some point, probably relatively soon, they may start going in a direction more fans will like (when they are tired of massive tours, promotional stuff, etc.). U2 has maybe never been less enamored with its hardcore fans (trying to keep them out of the bomb shelter is an example), and I think that is difficult to accept for some.
Personally, I respect U2 for doing what they are doing now...trying to maintain popularity and relevance when pop music is what it is. They are taking the more difficult road...it'd be much easier to stay home with their families, recording more obscure and interesting music. U2 wouldn't be U2 if they didn't have the drive to be huge, to be heard, to be important. It keeps them going. Even Larry talks about that a lot...don't be fooled by his demeanor. The man wants to have charted singles...to "compete with Britany Spears". I personally think the GH comp is not a reality, but they do attempt to have some type of release every other fall, so who knows.