LuckyNumber7
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You’re looking for logic and reason and I think the only logic is that they’re illogical.
They genuinely believe it.
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You’re looking for logic and reason and I think the only logic is that they’re illogical.
They genuinely believe it.
LemonMelon
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This thread sums up how dead in the water the PA lawsuit is:
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Ultimately, even if the Trump campaign has a case with substantial proof, throwing out Pennsylvania's electoral votes isn't going to happen because it isn't a suitable reparation. Not even close.
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Ultimately, even if the Trump campaign has a case with substantial proof, throwing out Pennsylvania's electoral votes isn't going to happen because it isn't a suitable reparation. Not even close.
The GOP is really opening a can of worms there. They won't succeed in overturning the results of this election, I don't think, but it will be hard to put that genie back in the bottle. You can't rebuild trust in electoral institutions overnight.
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Maybe. I think we'd agree though that Republicans and Republican enablers (or whatever you want to call the conservative SC justices) are a party of self-interest above all else. Which suggests they won't act without a clear incentive.
LuckyNumber7
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One win and I’m sure they’ll forget in the mainstream, but irréparable damage has already been done with seed planting for conspiracy folk.
DaveC
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iyup is right. nullifying the electoral votes of entire states or invalidating ballots in the kind of numbers that would overturn the election results would be so mind-bogglingly EXTREME that i don't think you guys are quite grasping it. as far as i'm aware, there isn't a precedent anywhere within the same galaxy in all of american legal history. these judges aren't stupid and they would be fully aware of what such a thing would do to the constitution and the foundations of american democracy. the trump campaign would need to provide some kind of evidence so irrefutable and on such a large-scale to obtain that kind of outcome that it would already be pretty obvious by now that something was wrong.
like iyup said, the judges would need some kind of incentive to sign their names down in history forever as the people who killed american democracy and likely caused a civil war. i cannot imagine how any of the judges who have spent decades in law would sign up for that infamy just to rig an election for donald trump on flimsy/non-existent evidence.
like iyup said, the judges would need some kind of incentive to sign their names down in history forever as the people who killed american democracy and likely caused a civil war. i cannot imagine how any of the judges who have spent decades in law would sign up for that infamy just to rig an election for donald trump on flimsy/non-existent evidence.
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phanan
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What he said.
LemonMelon
More 5G Than Man
I wrote a piece for another site detailing my thoughts on the election, with specific attention paid to the dual concepts of unity and respectability in the context of a deeply divided nation. Spoiler tagged because I don't want to it to be a pain to scroll through:
I watched the victory speech of President-Elect Joe Biden last Saturday night with my infant daughter in my arms, fresh off an empowering word from Vice President-elect Kamala Harris. It was a special moment for me as a father, being able to point out to my daughter the female on screen, a public servant chosen by the people, not merely married to one.
Just as I was beginning to well up with emotion, my wife turned to me and said, “it’s really nice to see decent people waving the flag for once.”
A flag is just a flag waving freely on a pole until it’s loaded down with centuries of baggage. American imperialists, crooked cops, white nationalists, right-wing Twitter bots – they have all contributed to the downfall of an inherently neutral symbol. I took a walk through my neighborhood Toluca Lake, California, later that night, a small neighborhood dotted with Biden-Harris campaign signs. I spotted an American flag in a window and noted that it was not hung outside. What can I assume about this person? Are they ashamed to show their patriotism in this neighborhood? Am I reading too much into their décor?
To get it out of the way: I view the last week of American politics as a victory for democracy, science, education and decency. Ignoring Trump for a moment, there are any number of trash individuals carried by nepotism and sycophancy that will now be dropped into a wormhole. Betsy fucking Devos, an embarrassment to anyone in education, is my personal favorite ousting. I will feel so much safer as a teacher when her smarmy ass, so thinly veiling the incompetence behind it, no longer holds relevance. Fuck her.
And yeah, my mood is elevated. I have seldom been more plugged into the goings-on of my nation and exited it feeling enlightened and empowered. Politics are a dirty game, but true activism can connect you to your fellow man like little else. And in a year marked by social distance, connection within a community is an oasis. This past week has felt like a collective tug-of-war between opposing sides and now, if but for a moment, I get to rest.
Certainly, I am feeling better about the health of my country than I did a week ago, if only because its disease has been identified and a treatment selected by the majority. But will it be adopted? The wonderful news that Pfizer’s long-awaited COVID-19 vaccine possesses at least 90% efficacy makes this metaphor literal. No matter how well-founded in science, facts, and logic, there will be a loud and aggressive faction of my country that will fight to stop progress. Their reaction may be founded in misinformation. Some of them may not even know why they feel the way they do.
And so, even great strides are streaked with doubt and cynicism when only half of the population shares in them. An election involving an incumbent president is a referendum on the current administration’s policies and execution. Nearly 75 million Americans, accounting for a record turnout, wanted to try something new. Much to the befuddlement of many Democrats, 70 million Americans did not. Those 70 million people waved American flags at their rallies just like the other 75 million did at theirs.
I haven’t spoken to my parents since the election. I love them dearly and respect their intellect and insight in most matters. But we occupy different bubbles and appear to now receive information from competing sources. It is increasingly difficult to reach across that gap and share ideas the way we used to, and that goes for all political discourse. The deflection, memeification of complex information, political-party-as-sports-team mentality and tendency to reduce disagreeable revelations to “fake news” has made it impossible to debate opposing views in a constructive manner.
I am physically and mentally exhausted by having a president who actively brings out the worst in people. Donald Trump brings out the hatred in his followers and he brings out the fear and dread in the rest of us. It's easy to excuse this as simply bringing to the surface what was already wrong with America, but we do bear a small responsibility in not making the people around us actively worse. You can reach out to people and offer them respect, even if they don’t deserve it, and some may live up to expectations.
My support for Biden didn’t so much stem from his policies – I supported Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren ahead of him. Rather, I supported the way conducts himself and the decorum that he encourages from his supporters. I desperately hope for another shot at having decent conversations with my neighbors about things that actually matter. I'm tired of speaking in memes and slogans when there are very real problems that we need to figure out together. We do need to find some semblance of unity.
But that raises the question: unity with whom? A gaggle of Klansmen and Channer trolls who sincerely believe that vaccines are poison, that the election was rigged and that the opposing party is a Chinese Satan-worshipping death cult predicated on the sacrifice of unborn children? Surely, an ideological purist would balk at the idea. Truthfully, when Joe Biden speaks about national unification, it makes me feel a bit ill inside. I also know he is at least partially right.
Truthfully, I have been radicalized. I am just as at fault as anyone else with regards to surrendering my neutrality to the sway of information. I have my own bubble, just as my countrymen have theirs. And yes, it has fermented in hatred. I really do hate the MAGA chud motherfuckers that have spewed invective and Pepe memes for the past 5 years. I hate that they tained my relationship with my parents by suckering them in, made me doubt the foundations of my Christian faith by being such horrendously awful examples of it, and continue to verbally and physically harass anyone who isn’t just like them. If someone who falls into that category is reading this, please know that I do not respect your views, but I do respect your right to have them and am not looking to silence you. I only privately wish that you would go away.
So, how can I love my country if I hate half the people in it? How I one be a good, empathic person if I am full of hatred? These are questions that have been rattling in my brain for the past several days. Believe it or not, I love people. My life revolves around the success of others; I work with at-risk students every day, doing the most to help them receive their high school diplomas and contribute to society. Some of them are Trump supporters and that doesn’t change the way I treat them. People see me and assume that I am a giving, understanding person because I talk big game. But I don’t love Trump supporters. I cannot reconcile the actions of my countrymen, who will likely never change. The election will lead to a change of administrations, but it takes more than one man to change hearts and minds. It takes a cultural shift that begins with parents.
The one point I want to end on is that, as disappointing as it may be, hope is worth holding onto. Earlier this year, as the pandemic began in earnest, I lost hope. I couldn’t find work, I was terrified for my safety and the safety of my loved ones, and I saw no path forward. I was explicitly suicidal. This is what life is like without hope. I am fortunate enough to have friends and family who pulled me back from the ledge, and from April forward I began to accept that while life was unlikely to change for the better any time soon, it “could” change. Open-ended statements like these are the core of cognitive behavioral therapy, and they made a big difference in my road to recovery.
Hope comes with risk, of course. The Barack Obama administration was built on hope and many progressive voters were left wanting afterward for reasons that were, in part, not Obama’s fault at all. The elation and optimism I felt when I saw the turnout for this election was unparalleled in a dark, seemingly hopeless year, but it was quickly dashed when I saw what that meant: a record number of people think my ideology is full of shit. Progressive Democrats are not only a minority; they are, in fact, the Problem! I help to make an already sick country that much more toxic! We will soon have a pleasant, educated and experienced leader. That is good. But that won’t stop half the country from seething at the idea. For all of these reasons and more, hoping for change in a country built on racism and conquest is an enormous risk.
Nonetheless, as I listened to Joe Biden speak about unity and togetherness and American respectability in that crowd of American flags, I softly cried. I cried because, deep down, I still long for those ideals. I want the melting pot to be more than oil and water, even if I don’t like oil. As long as I live, I will always hope for a return to the days when we accepted that opposing ideas could have merit. To arguing around the dinner table in a vain attempt at understanding. Even if I don’t deserve it, even if my hatred is the root of it, I still hope that people on the other side of the aisle will reach out to me when I am too weak of a man to do the same. I have let my country down and fallen short of my ideals, but I know that it is full of better people than me. It is through them that we will turn things around.
Just as I was beginning to well up with emotion, my wife turned to me and said, “it’s really nice to see decent people waving the flag for once.”
A flag is just a flag waving freely on a pole until it’s loaded down with centuries of baggage. American imperialists, crooked cops, white nationalists, right-wing Twitter bots – they have all contributed to the downfall of an inherently neutral symbol. I took a walk through my neighborhood Toluca Lake, California, later that night, a small neighborhood dotted with Biden-Harris campaign signs. I spotted an American flag in a window and noted that it was not hung outside. What can I assume about this person? Are they ashamed to show their patriotism in this neighborhood? Am I reading too much into their décor?
To get it out of the way: I view the last week of American politics as a victory for democracy, science, education and decency. Ignoring Trump for a moment, there are any number of trash individuals carried by nepotism and sycophancy that will now be dropped into a wormhole. Betsy fucking Devos, an embarrassment to anyone in education, is my personal favorite ousting. I will feel so much safer as a teacher when her smarmy ass, so thinly veiling the incompetence behind it, no longer holds relevance. Fuck her.
And yeah, my mood is elevated. I have seldom been more plugged into the goings-on of my nation and exited it feeling enlightened and empowered. Politics are a dirty game, but true activism can connect you to your fellow man like little else. And in a year marked by social distance, connection within a community is an oasis. This past week has felt like a collective tug-of-war between opposing sides and now, if but for a moment, I get to rest.
Certainly, I am feeling better about the health of my country than I did a week ago, if only because its disease has been identified and a treatment selected by the majority. But will it be adopted? The wonderful news that Pfizer’s long-awaited COVID-19 vaccine possesses at least 90% efficacy makes this metaphor literal. No matter how well-founded in science, facts, and logic, there will be a loud and aggressive faction of my country that will fight to stop progress. Their reaction may be founded in misinformation. Some of them may not even know why they feel the way they do.
And so, even great strides are streaked with doubt and cynicism when only half of the population shares in them. An election involving an incumbent president is a referendum on the current administration’s policies and execution. Nearly 75 million Americans, accounting for a record turnout, wanted to try something new. Much to the befuddlement of many Democrats, 70 million Americans did not. Those 70 million people waved American flags at their rallies just like the other 75 million did at theirs.
I haven’t spoken to my parents since the election. I love them dearly and respect their intellect and insight in most matters. But we occupy different bubbles and appear to now receive information from competing sources. It is increasingly difficult to reach across that gap and share ideas the way we used to, and that goes for all political discourse. The deflection, memeification of complex information, political-party-as-sports-team mentality and tendency to reduce disagreeable revelations to “fake news” has made it impossible to debate opposing views in a constructive manner.
I am physically and mentally exhausted by having a president who actively brings out the worst in people. Donald Trump brings out the hatred in his followers and he brings out the fear and dread in the rest of us. It's easy to excuse this as simply bringing to the surface what was already wrong with America, but we do bear a small responsibility in not making the people around us actively worse. You can reach out to people and offer them respect, even if they don’t deserve it, and some may live up to expectations.
My support for Biden didn’t so much stem from his policies – I supported Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren ahead of him. Rather, I supported the way conducts himself and the decorum that he encourages from his supporters. I desperately hope for another shot at having decent conversations with my neighbors about things that actually matter. I'm tired of speaking in memes and slogans when there are very real problems that we need to figure out together. We do need to find some semblance of unity.
But that raises the question: unity with whom? A gaggle of Klansmen and Channer trolls who sincerely believe that vaccines are poison, that the election was rigged and that the opposing party is a Chinese Satan-worshipping death cult predicated on the sacrifice of unborn children? Surely, an ideological purist would balk at the idea. Truthfully, when Joe Biden speaks about national unification, it makes me feel a bit ill inside. I also know he is at least partially right.
Truthfully, I have been radicalized. I am just as at fault as anyone else with regards to surrendering my neutrality to the sway of information. I have my own bubble, just as my countrymen have theirs. And yes, it has fermented in hatred. I really do hate the MAGA chud motherfuckers that have spewed invective and Pepe memes for the past 5 years. I hate that they tained my relationship with my parents by suckering them in, made me doubt the foundations of my Christian faith by being such horrendously awful examples of it, and continue to verbally and physically harass anyone who isn’t just like them. If someone who falls into that category is reading this, please know that I do not respect your views, but I do respect your right to have them and am not looking to silence you. I only privately wish that you would go away.
So, how can I love my country if I hate half the people in it? How I one be a good, empathic person if I am full of hatred? These are questions that have been rattling in my brain for the past several days. Believe it or not, I love people. My life revolves around the success of others; I work with at-risk students every day, doing the most to help them receive their high school diplomas and contribute to society. Some of them are Trump supporters and that doesn’t change the way I treat them. People see me and assume that I am a giving, understanding person because I talk big game. But I don’t love Trump supporters. I cannot reconcile the actions of my countrymen, who will likely never change. The election will lead to a change of administrations, but it takes more than one man to change hearts and minds. It takes a cultural shift that begins with parents.
The one point I want to end on is that, as disappointing as it may be, hope is worth holding onto. Earlier this year, as the pandemic began in earnest, I lost hope. I couldn’t find work, I was terrified for my safety and the safety of my loved ones, and I saw no path forward. I was explicitly suicidal. This is what life is like without hope. I am fortunate enough to have friends and family who pulled me back from the ledge, and from April forward I began to accept that while life was unlikely to change for the better any time soon, it “could” change. Open-ended statements like these are the core of cognitive behavioral therapy, and they made a big difference in my road to recovery.
Hope comes with risk, of course. The Barack Obama administration was built on hope and many progressive voters were left wanting afterward for reasons that were, in part, not Obama’s fault at all. The elation and optimism I felt when I saw the turnout for this election was unparalleled in a dark, seemingly hopeless year, but it was quickly dashed when I saw what that meant: a record number of people think my ideology is full of shit. Progressive Democrats are not only a minority; they are, in fact, the Problem! I help to make an already sick country that much more toxic! We will soon have a pleasant, educated and experienced leader. That is good. But that won’t stop half the country from seething at the idea. For all of these reasons and more, hoping for change in a country built on racism and conquest is an enormous risk.
Nonetheless, as I listened to Joe Biden speak about unity and togetherness and American respectability in that crowd of American flags, I softly cried. I cried because, deep down, I still long for those ideals. I want the melting pot to be more than oil and water, even if I don’t like oil. As long as I live, I will always hope for a return to the days when we accepted that opposing ideas could have merit. To arguing around the dinner table in a vain attempt at understanding. Even if I don’t deserve it, even if my hatred is the root of it, I still hope that people on the other side of the aisle will reach out to me when I am too weak of a man to do the same. I have let my country down and fallen short of my ideals, but I know that it is full of better people than me. It is through them that we will turn things around.
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Moonlit_Angel
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Excellent post, LM. You touched on a lot of the same concerns and questions I've been wrestling with, too. My immediate family, I don't have to worry about, but I do have relatives that are Trump supporters, and there's other people out there I'll interact with who are as well. My own state went for Trump. I have to figure out how to reconcile that fact, and want unity while also wanting people to be held accountable for the hell they've put this country through. I think there's ways to do that, I'm just not sure where to begin or how. I'm certainly not under any impression it'll happen anytime soon, either.
I love this point.
Stephen Colbert mentioned something similar in his monologue tonight. He talked about how the election of Biden will make him less mean as well, and acknowledged that his jokes the last four years have been especially harsh in ways they normally aren't. And he acknowledges that that was a result of having to live in this Trump era for so long. We've been unable to rise above the nastiness ourselves. I've found myself changing some in that regard, too, and in ways that haven't always made me happy, either, because it's not me.
I do think I'll still keep trying to talk to Trump supporters, personally. Not so much because I'm hoping to change their minds, as I doubt I will. But I want to do it because, a) I don't want to let lies and misinformation continue to run rampant, and b) I want to continue to make clear where I stand on all of this stuff, and I want to encourage others who might want to speak up against the lies and misinformation, too, to feel comfortable doing so, or to know that they're not alone.
And if, by some miracle, I do manage to get through to a Trump supporter, then great. It's a small step, but a step nonetheless. Plus, I just like a good debate in general, it's who I am
.
I'm sorry about all the stress and struggle you've been through, but I am so happy to hear that you've managed to get the help and support you need, and that you're in a better place
. I continue to wish you well going forward, and I wish the country as a whole well, too. As I've said before, I just keep reminding myself that our country has been through very dark periods before, and we've managed to come out of them and make some progress along the way, no matter how big or small. I like to think that'll happen here, too. And I hope it does.
On another more optimistic note, this is an excellent idea and I'm all for the Biden administration doing this:
https://twitter.com/kibblesmith/status/1325851398425235457
I love this point.
Stephen Colbert mentioned something similar in his monologue tonight. He talked about how the election of Biden will make him less mean as well, and acknowledged that his jokes the last four years have been especially harsh in ways they normally aren't. And he acknowledges that that was a result of having to live in this Trump era for so long. We've been unable to rise above the nastiness ourselves. I've found myself changing some in that regard, too, and in ways that haven't always made me happy, either, because it's not me.
I do think I'll still keep trying to talk to Trump supporters, personally. Not so much because I'm hoping to change their minds, as I doubt I will. But I want to do it because, a) I don't want to let lies and misinformation continue to run rampant, and b) I want to continue to make clear where I stand on all of this stuff, and I want to encourage others who might want to speak up against the lies and misinformation, too, to feel comfortable doing so, or to know that they're not alone.
And if, by some miracle, I do manage to get through to a Trump supporter, then great. It's a small step, but a step nonetheless. Plus, I just like a good debate in general, it's who I am
. I'm sorry about all the stress and struggle you've been through, but I am so happy to hear that you've managed to get the help and support you need, and that you're in a better place
. I continue to wish you well going forward, and I wish the country as a whole well, too. As I've said before, I just keep reminding myself that our country has been through very dark periods before, and we've managed to come out of them and make some progress along the way, no matter how big or small. I like to think that'll happen here, too. And I hope it does. On another more optimistic note, this is an excellent idea and I'm all for the Biden administration doing this:
https://twitter.com/kibblesmith/status/1325851398425235457
I suppose if they kill their own sides trust elections that could be a benefit to democrats....why would you bother voting as a republican if you thought the other side was cheating.
The concern there is you force people into other kinds of action potentially.
MrsSpringsteen
Blue Crack Addict
Republicans after 2018 midterm elections 
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I also find it unbelievable that the SCOTUS would essentially hand over the presidency to Trump.
There just aren't enough ideological nutbags on the court to do so. Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett are two, for sure. Clarence Thomas is half ideologue and half asshole, so he's capable as well. Alito is a bit of a wild card but I think he'd go along with Roberts and Gorsuch is an institutionalist who has notably, and intelligently, kept a very low profile. I don't see him stepping up to the plate here either. Roberts + the 3 liberal justices are a no.
There just aren't enough ideological nutbags on the court to do so. Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett are two, for sure. Clarence Thomas is half ideologue and half asshole, so he's capable as well. Alito is a bit of a wild card but I think he'd go along with Roberts and Gorsuch is an institutionalist who has notably, and intelligently, kept a very low profile. I don't see him stepping up to the plate here either. Roberts + the 3 liberal justices are a no.
phanan
Blue Crack Addict
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Between 2000 and 2014 over one billion (1,000,000,000) votes were cast in American elections. The number of documented cases of voter fraud? 32<br><br>And yet 70% of Republicans do not believe the 2020 election was free and fair. <br><br>We have a lot of work to do.</p>— Mary L Trump (@MaryLTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/MaryLTrump/status/1326172550796341249?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
MrsSpringsteen
Blue Crack Addict
They are like creeping crud. Never...going..away
(CNN)Donald Trump Jr. and Kimberly Guilfoyle are making moves to expand their influence at the Republican National Committee, three GOP sources, including advisers to the President tell CNN. Some sources say they may seek to take over the party structure themselves.
President Donald Trump's eldest son and his girlfriend, a Trump campaign fundraiser and former Fox News host, have made it clear to campaign and White House officials they are unhappy with RNC chairwoman Ronna McDaniel, who they view as not having done enough to win a close race.
Trump Jr. and Guilfoyle could seek leadership roles at the RNC to position the committee for a comeback run for the President in 2024, the sources said.
"Don Jr. and Kimberly have an eye on the RNC, through themselves taking over or somebody close to them taking over," a well-placed Republican Party source close to the White House said.
Trump Jr. is seen as a prolific fundraiser inside the party as well as a popular figure in his father's grassroots base.
Trump Jr. denied CNN's reporting he was seeking to take over the party.
An associate of Trump Jr., Andrew Surabian, also said it's "100% incorrect" that the President's son is seeking a role at the RNC.
Guilfoyle and the RNC did not immediately respond to CNN requests for comment.
For some in the GOP, as distasteful as Trump Jr. leading or having significant influence over the RNC may sound, it's seen as better than purging the outgoing first family, which could backfire with the President's base, two sources close to the White House said.
"In order for Republicans to move forward they may have to do this," one of the sources said.
If Trump Jr. and Guilfoyle do not ultimately assume formal positions at the RNC, the sources said somebody close to the Trump family, such as longtime campaign adviser David Bossie, could become chairman.
"They don't want the ride to end," a Trump adviser said of Trump Jr. and Guilfoyle.
(CNN)Donald Trump Jr. and Kimberly Guilfoyle are making moves to expand their influence at the Republican National Committee, three GOP sources, including advisers to the President tell CNN. Some sources say they may seek to take over the party structure themselves.
President Donald Trump's eldest son and his girlfriend, a Trump campaign fundraiser and former Fox News host, have made it clear to campaign and White House officials they are unhappy with RNC chairwoman Ronna McDaniel, who they view as not having done enough to win a close race.
Trump Jr. and Guilfoyle could seek leadership roles at the RNC to position the committee for a comeback run for the President in 2024, the sources said.
"Don Jr. and Kimberly have an eye on the RNC, through themselves taking over or somebody close to them taking over," a well-placed Republican Party source close to the White House said.
Trump Jr. is seen as a prolific fundraiser inside the party as well as a popular figure in his father's grassroots base.
Trump Jr. denied CNN's reporting he was seeking to take over the party.
An associate of Trump Jr., Andrew Surabian, also said it's "100% incorrect" that the President's son is seeking a role at the RNC.
Guilfoyle and the RNC did not immediately respond to CNN requests for comment.
For some in the GOP, as distasteful as Trump Jr. leading or having significant influence over the RNC may sound, it's seen as better than purging the outgoing first family, which could backfire with the President's base, two sources close to the White House said.
"In order for Republicans to move forward they may have to do this," one of the sources said.
If Trump Jr. and Guilfoyle do not ultimately assume formal positions at the RNC, the sources said somebody close to the Trump family, such as longtime campaign adviser David Bossie, could become chairman.
"They don't want the ride to end," a Trump adviser said of Trump Jr. and Guilfoyle.
New York's AG has other plans
phanan
Blue Crack Addict
May the ACA as a whole actually survive? Just saw an update that most of the justices were leaning that way.
This is total insanity.
I think that the Biden/Harris team has handled it well - basically ignore the lunatic noise and continue on with the act of preparing to govern.
However, you are now starting to see considerable concern arising and I wonder how much longer they can go on without having a more forceful response. You don't want to add fuel to the fire, but you also don't want to seem like you're a passive participant.
What an utter mess.
LemonMelon
More 5G Than Man
If they want to split up the country, discounting all the Biden states (which make up roughly 60% of the country's GDP) and keeping the Trump ones, I'm good with that. We'll keep California, New York and Illinois, and they can have Florida, Mississippi and Arkansas. Good luck!
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mikal
Blue Crack Addict
I think Biden should just keep bringing it back to to the Secret Service and that he has more important things on his mind than someone who isn’t handling losing well.
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Hewson
Blue Crack Supplier
Justice I Like Beer sounds like he won't strike it down. Trump is going to have an orange conniption.
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