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MrsSpringsteen said:
so, like, is "Sleeping Beauty" also about sex?
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so, like, is "Sleeping Beauty" also about sex?
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Irvine511 said:
You don't remember my thread about that book?
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WASHINGTON (AP) — Republican presidential hopeful Rudy Giuliani compared the scrutiny of his personal life marked by three marriages to the biblical story of how Jesus dealt with an adulterous woman.
In an interview posted online Friday, Giuliani was questioned about his family and told the Christian Broadcasting Network, "I think there are some people that are very judgmental."
Giuliani has a daughter who indicated support for Democrat Barack Obama and a son who said he didn't speak to his father for some time. Giuliani's messy divorce from their mother, Donna Hanover, was waged publicly while Giuliani was mayor of New York.
"I'm guided very, very often about, `Don't judge others, lest you be judged,"' Giuliani told CBN interviewer David Brody. "I'm guided a lot by the story of the woman that was going to be stoned, and Jesus put the stones down and said, 'He that hasn't sinned, cast the first stone,' and everybody disappeared.
"It seems like nowadays in America, we have people that think they could've passed that test," he said. "And I don't think anybody could've passed that test but Jesus."
In the New Testament story, related in the Gospel of John, Jesus does not actually hold stones. The Pharisees bring Jesus a woman charged with adultery, reminding him the punishment for adultery is stoning. They are testing Jesus in an effort to charge him with breaking the law.
The Gospel reads: "But when they continued asking him, he straightened up and said to them, 'Let the one among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.'
"… And in response, they went away one by one, beginning with the elders."
Giuliani has insisted his family relationships are private. In 1968, he married his cousin, Regina Peruggi. They divorced 14 years later, and Giuliani obtained an annulment from the Catholic Church on the grounds that as second cousins, they should have received a dispensation to marry.
Giuliani married Hanover in 1984 and they divorced in 2002. He has been married to Judith Nathan since 2003.
Likewise, he says his faith is private, although he evokes his Catholic upbringing on the campaign trail.
He told CBN he believes in God and prays to Jesus for guidance and help.
"I have very, very strong views on religion that come about from having wanted to be a priest when I was younger, having studied theology for four years in college," he said. "It's an area I know really, really well academically.
"… And my personal view of it is I need God's help for everything, and I probably feel that the most when I'm in crisis and under pressure, like Sept. 11, when I was dealing with prostate cancer, or (when) I'm trying to explain death to people, which unfortunately I've had to do so often.
"So it's a very, very important part of my life," he said. "But I think in a democracy and in a government like ours, my religion is my way of looking at God, and other people have other ways of doing it, and some people don't believe in God. I think that's unfortunate. I think their life would be a lot fuller if they did, but they have that right."
Giuliani also addressed a cell phone call he took from his wife, Judith, last week during his speech to the National Rifle Association, an important appearance because Giuliani clashed with the group when he argued for tougher gun control as mayor of New York.
"And quite honestly, since Sept. 11, most of the time when we get on a plane, we talk to each other and just reaffirm the fact that we love each other," he said.
"Sometimes if I'm in the middle of a very, very sensitive meeting, I don't take the call right then; I wait. But I thought it would be kind of nice if I took it at that point, and I'd done that before in engagements, and I didn't realize it would create any kind of controversy," he said.
In an interview posted online Friday, Giuliani was questioned about his family and told the Christian Broadcasting Network, "I think there are some people that are very judgmental."
Giuliani has a daughter who indicated support for Democrat Barack Obama and a son who said he didn't speak to his father for some time. Giuliani's messy divorce from their mother, Donna Hanover, was waged publicly while Giuliani was mayor of New York.
"I'm guided very, very often about, `Don't judge others, lest you be judged,"' Giuliani told CBN interviewer David Brody. "I'm guided a lot by the story of the woman that was going to be stoned, and Jesus put the stones down and said, 'He that hasn't sinned, cast the first stone,' and everybody disappeared.
"It seems like nowadays in America, we have people that think they could've passed that test," he said. "And I don't think anybody could've passed that test but Jesus."
In the New Testament story, related in the Gospel of John, Jesus does not actually hold stones. The Pharisees bring Jesus a woman charged with adultery, reminding him the punishment for adultery is stoning. They are testing Jesus in an effort to charge him with breaking the law.
The Gospel reads: "But when they continued asking him, he straightened up and said to them, 'Let the one among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.'
"… And in response, they went away one by one, beginning with the elders."
Giuliani has insisted his family relationships are private. In 1968, he married his cousin, Regina Peruggi. They divorced 14 years later, and Giuliani obtained an annulment from the Catholic Church on the grounds that as second cousins, they should have received a dispensation to marry.
Giuliani married Hanover in 1984 and they divorced in 2002. He has been married to Judith Nathan since 2003.
Likewise, he says his faith is private, although he evokes his Catholic upbringing on the campaign trail.
He told CBN he believes in God and prays to Jesus for guidance and help.
"I have very, very strong views on religion that come about from having wanted to be a priest when I was younger, having studied theology for four years in college," he said. "It's an area I know really, really well academically.
"… And my personal view of it is I need God's help for everything, and I probably feel that the most when I'm in crisis and under pressure, like Sept. 11, when I was dealing with prostate cancer, or (when) I'm trying to explain death to people, which unfortunately I've had to do so often.
"So it's a very, very important part of my life," he said. "But I think in a democracy and in a government like ours, my religion is my way of looking at God, and other people have other ways of doing it, and some people don't believe in God. I think that's unfortunate. I think their life would be a lot fuller if they did, but they have that right."
Giuliani also addressed a cell phone call he took from his wife, Judith, last week during his speech to the National Rifle Association, an important appearance because Giuliani clashed with the group when he argued for tougher gun control as mayor of New York.
"And quite honestly, since Sept. 11, most of the time when we get on a plane, we talk to each other and just reaffirm the fact that we love each other," he said.
"Sometimes if I'm in the middle of a very, very sensitive meeting, I don't take the call right then; I wait. But I thought it would be kind of nice if I took it at that point, and I'd done that before in engagements, and I didn't realize it would create any kind of controversy," he said.
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I like the Democrats' position on gay issues. Gay rights was my first political issue. That and the environment. Mitt Romney can go to hell with his homophobia.
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BonoVoxSupastar said:
Mitt's not going to get the vote of this practicing Catholic. And the religious voters aren't going to like it that Freddie can't remember the Schiavo controversy. Catholics felt strongly about that.
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Poor Rudy. 
It's hard belonging to a party that does nothing but cast stones at others.
It's hard belonging to a party that does nothing but cast stones at others.
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[q]"I'm guided very, very often about, `Don't judge others, lest you be judged,"' Giuliani told CBN interviewer David Brody. "I'm guided a lot by the story of the woman that was going to be stoned, and Jesus put the stones down and said, 'He that hasn't sinned, cast the first stone,' and everybody disappeared.
"It seems like nowadays in America, we have people that think they could've passed that test," he said. "And I don't think anybody could've passed that test but Jesus."[/q]
he's as uncomfortable with religion as Howard Dean was in 2004.
"It seems like nowadays in America, we have people that think they could've passed that test," he said. "And I don't think anybody could've passed that test but Jesus."[/q]
he's as uncomfortable with religion as Howard Dean was in 2004.
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And thats a bad thing?
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A_Wanderer said:
no. just funny.
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unico said:
did you (or anyone else) watch that debate? which was the moron who compared abortion to Darfur?
I thought Ron Paul was pretty solid until he basically said we have no place in Darfur. I certainly agree we don't need to send troops there and we should try to get the UN more involved, but to say we don't have a place at all... I disagree.
Tancredo has got to be the dumbest of the bunch, though most of them came across as not people I want to be president. Still, some good points were made, and at least they actually bothered to show up.
Mitt Romney = douche
I will not endorse a candidate who is against gay marriage.
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Harry Vest said:
I'll go with Giuliani/Gingrich vs Clinton/Gephardt for now.
I think I picked Hillary vs Gingrich about a year ago.
I still don't buy Rudy being sold to the base but who the hell else?
Gingrich would help bring in the die-hard conservatives and sure up the Southerners.
Gephardt would hand Hillary a battleground state and further solidify the moderate midwest. The South is lost to them, forget Evan Bayh and others, not enough electoral votes to matter. There would be an outside chance of going West in normal situations but with the Reps hardline stance on immigration, I think they are going to struggle big time out there. She will not make the Gore/Kerry mistake in the VP process. Sorry, Obama.
Picking VP's is always a strange game anyways. The most they can really do is hurt you or hand you a State.
All that said, I don't count Romney out just yet.
I wouldn't even bury Huckabee before I'd bury McCain and FT.
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AtomicBono said:
Who compared abortion to Darfur? That's dumb. I won't vote for a candidate who's against gay marriage either.
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deep said:Giuliani
very well may be the GOP nominee
and I hope he is
everything Conservatives say about Hillary
is really true for Giuliani,
but only magnified by about 3 times
he is looking more and more
like Nosferatu
of course,
no one is paying attrention
but Giuliani just got caught in a plot trying to fix the 2008 Nov election
much like Bush and company fixed the 2000 election
where they were able to prevent Florida's electoral votes from going to Gore
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Gingrich is out. He says he's not running. It seems like he has a conflict of interest.
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verte76 said:
what would that be?
an I Q over 100?
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deep said:
Not Newt.
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martha said:
Well - I would think it would take an IQ above 100 to accomplish this:
He received a B.A. degree from Emory University in Atlanta in 1965. He received an M.A. in 1968 and a Ph.D in 1971 in Modern European History from Tulane University in New Orleans.
Source:wiki
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In terms of civil liberties he would definitely be more frightening than Giuliani.
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martha said:
I suppose it's human nature that the more a person aligns with your own views, the "smarter" he becomes.
And vice versa, obviously.
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AEON said:
george w. bush has a degree from harvard and from yale.
35 years ago, all you had to be was a connected white male. now, not so much.
but, in fairness, there's no question newt thinks he's brilliant and that he's some sort of cutting edge intellectual, and i don't think he came from the same blue blood background as our shit-for-brains president.
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Irvine511 said:george w. bush has a degree from harvard and from yale.
Thank you.
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Bluer White said:
I suppose it's human nature that the more a person aligns with your own views, the "smarter" he becomes.
And vice versa, obviously.
Of course.
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Irvine511 said:
Do you really think he's stupid? Seriously? I mean, like that really slow guy behind the counter at that backwoods gas station kind of stupid?
As I've said before - history will be very kind to W.
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AEON said:
doubt it...
I think the damage he's done to us internationally will take a long time to heal and this will be his greatest blotch on his legacy.
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AEON said:
How so? Just curious. Based on what has happened to date or based on how you anticipate Iraq will end up?
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AEON said:
I don't see how that's possible, since he's one of the most legitimately disliked presidents, and by probably the largest majority of people ever. I think history will make him look even more incompetent, if that's possible.
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phillyfan26 said:
Abraham Lincoln and Harry Truman were also very unpopular.
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AEON said:
And Jimmy Carter.
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With a very huge exception being that the rest of the world didn't really care nor was particularly affected on a large scale by these two.
GWB is reviled internationally and disliked domestically. How you think history will treat him well is beyond me.
And yes, I believe he's genuinely stupid.
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AEON said:
Read my post again:
And, Diamond, I think Jimmy Carter's still not thought of highly as a president. Was he a good guy? Yeah. But he wasn't a good president.
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