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Old 09-26-2007, 05:43 PM   #21
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This coming from the same guy that said Mitt would get most of the religious vote..
Call for reference please.

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Call for reference please.

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You said Mitt would win past the prejudice, and then later you said Freddy could win the conservative vote, which in your definition has always included the majority of religious voters...
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Thompson/Gulianni vs Clinton/Webb
That's my prediction for now.
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I don't think Thompson will win the nomination. The voters won't like it that he's forgetting everything. My money's on Giuliani to win the nomination.
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I didn't watch the debate last night, there was baseball and new shows to watch. Remember this book?

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Romney hits Dems on gay issue

Leading the way on an issue almost certain to be resurrected during the general election, Mitt Romney will issue a statement this morning condemning the Democratic candidates for their refusal at last night's debate to rule out teaching about gay issues to second-graders.

The comments, on the heels of the MoveOn.org ad controversy, are already prompting glee in Republican circles as yet more made-to-order fodder that the party and its conservative allies can use to paint Democrats as out of the mainstream.

Romney is to say that the answers proved "how out of touch the Democratic presidential candidates are with the American people."

"Not one candidate was uncomfortable with young children learning about same-sex marriage in the second grade," Romney notes. "This is a subject that should be left to parents, not public school teachers."

Allison King of New England Cable News told the Democratic hopefuls about the case last year in Lexington, Mass., where a teacher used a book about a "prince who marries another prince" to teach young children about same-sex marriage.

"Would you be comfortable having this story read to your children as part of their school curriculum?"

John Edwards, the first to take the question, responded, "Yes, absolutely."

"What I want is, I want my children to understand everything about the difficulties that gay and lesbian couples are faced with every day, the discrimination that they're faced with every single day of their lives."

Later in his answer, Edwards did note that "second grade might be a little tough, but even in second grade to be exposed to all," he said, before being interrupted by King.

"Well, that's the point. It is second grade," she said.

"I don't want to impose my view," Edwards continued, adding that, "nobody made me God."

Questioned next about the issue, Barack Obama said, "You know, I feel very similar to John.

"One of the things I want to communicate to my children is not to be afraid of people who are different, because there have been times in our history where I was considered different, or Bill Richardson was considered different," Obama continued.

Taking her turn, Hillary Clinton was more cautious and stopped short of saying she agreed with her top two rivals.

"I really respect what both John and Barack said," Clinton said.

"With respect to your individual children, that is such a matter of parental discretion."

This is not the first time Romney has seized on teaching about gay issues to young children. In July, he took Obama to task after the Illinois senator told a Planned Parenthood conference that "it’s the right thing to do to provide age-appropriate sex education, science-based sex education in schools." A rival to Romney pointed out that the former governor himself had supported "age-appropriate" sex ed in his 2002 gubernatorial bid.

The 32-page book in question, "King & King," was written in 2002 by two Dutch authors. Per the School Library Journal on Amazon, the tale of two princes who fall in love is appropriate for grades 3 to 5. Last year, two sets of parents in Lexington sued the school district, claiming that the book amounted to teaching sex ed without parental consent. A judge dismissed the suit.
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Romney, ask yourself this, is "being in touch" with the populace always a good thing? At one time the populace didn't want to be taught that all races were equal, some didn't want or still don't want sex ed taught, there's a lot of things the "populace" has been wrong many many times.
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Romney is to say that the answers proved "how out of touch the Democratic presidential candidates are with the American people."
this is coming from the same jackass who refuses to debate at msu and univision? omg. who is out of touch mitt? who???


besides...i like how he thinks same-sex marriage in school should be a private issue. oh sure, blab on about it and make laws about it all you want. but then we can't talk about it in school? isn't the whole "marriage is a private issue" the democrat stance?

and i don't see why it is so taboo? it is talking about same-sex MARRIAGE, not same-sex sex.
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Thompson/Gulianni
This would prove that Americans are more about TV than substance.
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Thompson/Gulianni
That would seriously be one of the weakest tickets ever.

One can't remember anything further than 2 weeks ago and is too lazy to think one week ahead. And the other has flip flopped on almost every stance just in order to call himself a Republican.
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I love how she handled that. Tim Russert was apparently trying to be so cutesy or clever or something there-what does her husband's opinion have to do with anything? What is Michelle Obama's opinion on the issue as opposed to Barack's?

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Last year, two sets of parents in Lexington sued the school district, claiming that the book amounted to teaching sex ed without parental consent.


so, like, is "Sleeping Beauty" also about sex?
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so, like, is "Sleeping Beauty" also about sex?
You don't remember my thread about that book?
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WASHINGTON (AP) — Republican presidential hopeful Rudy Giuliani compared the scrutiny of his personal life marked by three marriages to the biblical story of how Jesus dealt with an adulterous woman.

In an interview posted online Friday, Giuliani was questioned about his family and told the Christian Broadcasting Network, "I think there are some people that are very judgmental."

Giuliani has a daughter who indicated support for Democrat Barack Obama and a son who said he didn't speak to his father for some time. Giuliani's messy divorce from their mother, Donna Hanover, was waged publicly while Giuliani was mayor of New York.

"I'm guided very, very often about, `Don't judge others, lest you be judged,"' Giuliani told CBN interviewer David Brody. "I'm guided a lot by the story of the woman that was going to be stoned, and Jesus put the stones down and said, 'He that hasn't sinned, cast the first stone,' and everybody disappeared.

"It seems like nowadays in America, we have people that think they could've passed that test," he said. "And I don't think anybody could've passed that test but Jesus."

In the New Testament story, related in the Gospel of John, Jesus does not actually hold stones. The Pharisees bring Jesus a woman charged with adultery, reminding him the punishment for adultery is stoning. They are testing Jesus in an effort to charge him with breaking the law.

The Gospel reads: "But when they continued asking him, he straightened up and said to them, 'Let the one among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.'

"… And in response, they went away one by one, beginning with the elders."

Giuliani has insisted his family relationships are private. In 1968, he married his cousin, Regina Peruggi. They divorced 14 years later, and Giuliani obtained an annulment from the Catholic Church on the grounds that as second cousins, they should have received a dispensation to marry.

Giuliani married Hanover in 1984 and they divorced in 2002. He has been married to Judith Nathan since 2003.

Likewise, he says his faith is private, although he evokes his Catholic upbringing on the campaign trail.

He told CBN he believes in God and prays to Jesus for guidance and help.

"I have very, very strong views on religion that come about from having wanted to be a priest when I was younger, having studied theology for four years in college," he said. "It's an area I know really, really well academically.

"… And my personal view of it is I need God's help for everything, and I probably feel that the most when I'm in crisis and under pressure, like Sept. 11, when I was dealing with prostate cancer, or (when) I'm trying to explain death to people, which unfortunately I've had to do so often.

"So it's a very, very important part of my life," he said. "But I think in a democracy and in a government like ours, my religion is my way of looking at God, and other people have other ways of doing it, and some people don't believe in God. I think that's unfortunate. I think their life would be a lot fuller if they did, but they have that right."

Giuliani also addressed a cell phone call he took from his wife, Judith, last week during his speech to the National Rifle Association, an important appearance because Giuliani clashed with the group when he argued for tougher gun control as mayor of New York.

"And quite honestly, since Sept. 11, most of the time when we get on a plane, we talk to each other and just reaffirm the fact that we love each other," he said.

"Sometimes if I'm in the middle of a very, very sensitive meeting, I don't take the call right then; I wait. But I thought it would be kind of nice if I took it at that point, and I'd done that before in engagements, and I didn't realize it would create any kind of controversy," he said.
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I like the Democrats' position on gay issues. Gay rights was my first political issue. That and the environment. Mitt Romney can go to hell with his homophobia.
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This coming from the same guy that said Mitt would get most of the religious vote, and then later that Freddie would get it...
Mitt's not going to get the vote of this practicing Catholic. And the religious voters aren't going to like it that Freddie can't remember the Schiavo controversy. Catholics felt strongly about that.
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Poor Rudy.

It's hard belonging to a party that does nothing but cast stones at others.
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[q]"I'm guided very, very often about, `Don't judge others, lest you be judged,"' Giuliani told CBN interviewer David Brody. "I'm guided a lot by the story of the woman that was going to be stoned, and Jesus put the stones down and said, 'He that hasn't sinned, cast the first stone,' and everybody disappeared.

"It seems like nowadays in America, we have people that think they could've passed that test," he said. "And I don't think anybody could've passed that test but Jesus."[/q]




he's as uncomfortable with religion as Howard Dean was in 2004.
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And thats a bad thing?
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And thats a bad thing?


no. just funny.
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with racial tensions mounting due to recent events, i think it is cute that thompson, mccain, romney, and guliani refuse to debate at msu this week.
did you (or anyone else) watch that debate? which was the moron who compared abortion to Darfur?

I thought Ron Paul was pretty solid until he basically said we have no place in Darfur. I certainly agree we don't need to send troops there and we should try to get the UN more involved, but to say we don't have a place at all... I disagree.

Tancredo has got to be the dumbest of the bunch, though most of them came across as not people I want to be president. Still, some good points were made, and at least they actually bothered to show up.

Mitt Romney = douche

I will not endorse a candidate who is against gay marriage.
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