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Old 12-21-2016, 04:21 PM   #621
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as we've been saying: white supremacy is the beating heart of the Trump GOP.

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In the segment, O’Reilly accused liberals of wanting to abolish the Electoral College because “the left thinks white working-class voters must be marginalized.” He claimed that ending the Electoral College would allow presidential candidates to focus their campaigns on big states and cities filled with minority voters, while letting them ignore rural areas with white voters.

“Talking Points believes this is all about race,” O’Reilly claimed. “The left sees white privilege in America as an oppressive force that must be done away with.” He later added, “The left wants power taken away from the white establishment. They want a profound change in the way America is run. Taking voting power away from the white precincts is the quickest way to do that.”

Along the way, you might expect some sort of “to be sure” paragraph to clarify that of course O’Reilly believes the votes of minority voters in California are equal to white rural voters in the Midwest.

But it never comes. He instead mocked the idea of fighting against white privilege. “Very few commentators will tell you that the heart of liberalism in America today is based on race. It permeates almost every issue,” O’Reilly said. “The liberal media tries to sell that all day long — so-called white privilege bad, diversity good.” He never elaborates on this point, leading one to draw the conclusion that he doesn’t buy what he argued the liberal media is selling.

The segment ends with O’Reilly’s message loud and clear: White privilege and the white establishment are fine, and it’s good that our Electoral College props up white rural voters over minority voters in urban centers. As it turns out, O’Reilly does have a point that the Electoral College is a tool for maintaining a white-dominated status quo. But that he apparently sees that as an argument for keeping the Electoral College is terrifying.

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And tens of millions of Americans agree with him, it seems.
And that's the issue. If you have another Obama, who these Trump voters find abhorrent, you marginalise the O'Reillys of the US.
Never has it been more apparent, at least not since the civil war I guess, that there are really two nations trying to coexist in the US. Perhaps there always has been.
God knows what the answer is.
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And tens of millions of Americans agree with him, it seems.
And that's the issue. If you have another Obama, who these Trump voters find abhorrent, you marginalise the O'Reillys of the US.
Never has it been more apparent, at least not since the civil war I guess, that there are really two nations trying to coexist in the US. Perhaps there always has been.
God knows what the answer is.

Could two nations be the answer? We have two states that aren't even connected to the mainland, so why couldn't we break us up into two separate nations?

Think it's pretty obvious how the lines would be drawn.

Of course the first act of the southern/red nation would be to ask for continuous AID from the Blue Coastal / Northern states.


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as we've been saying: white supremacy is the beating heart of the Trump GOP.

The majority of his voters won't even recognize what's wrong with his statements.

It's why we're here.


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we're truly fucked.
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The DNC and Hillary did conspire aginst Sanders on her way to the nomination. So defecting from her is not that surprising. This is now part of her 2016 history.
Oh the irony of Monday. 5 faithless electors for Hillary. 2 for Trump.

Martin Sheen and Co. may have swayed the wrong crowd to Colin Powell, Bernie Sanders, and Faithful Spotted Eagle.
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Oh the irony of Monday. 5 faithless electors for Hillary. 2 for Trump.



Martin Sheen and Co. may have swayed the wrong crowd to Colin Powell, Bernie Sanders, and Faithful Spotted Eagle.

It's only ironic if you're gullible. There was no irony here.
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It's only ironic if you're gullible.

I think you found your answer.


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The DNC and Hillary did conspire against Sanders on her way to the nomination. So defecting from her is not that surprising. This is now part of her 2016 history.
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Error: insufficient argument presented. No evidence or citations given.
Ok, I'll bite.

Why exactly did DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz resign when she did ?
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Yeah I wouldn't say there was no evidence. Maybe "conspire" is a strong word, but certainly seemed like a systemic bias at the least.
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Yeah I wouldn't say there was no evidence. Maybe "conspire" is a strong word, but certainly seemed like a systemic bias at the least.

Speaking of which; it's interesting that after days, they start to show up within a 30 minute window


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My tablet is finally letting me back into I-Land as a poster! So, then...

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I love this new "Democrats shouldn't oppose/fight EVERYTHING that Trump does" meme.

Coming from the people who literally obstructed every single thing Obama did for 8 years. Can't make this shit up if you tried.
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we call them Vichycrats.
IF trump is going to keep Medicare, Social Security (including SSD -disabilty) espicially without reductions and at least keep Medicaid & Food Stamps as they are now...

I want Democrats, Bernie and any Republican that doesn't have ice water in their veins to support that!

Each of the already threatened groups have a subset of poor, poor-disabled and poor elderly hat will be doubly threatened, along with those who fall in these general categories.

Remember Conservatives and now a ?majority of Republicans have been salivating for decades to totally gut
FDR's, LBJ's Social Safety Net which can hey have been snipping away pieces of once Reagen got into office!
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It's only ironic if you're gullible. There was no irony here.
The left was BEGGING. Enlisting Hollywood. Citing Alexander Hamilton, because ya know he's so hot right now. Michael Moore was trying to rally his fans. Networks were hyping up the high drama. Will they do it? Will they save us?

Meanwhile the actual GOP electors were getting death threats. Needed police escorts in some spots.

In the end just 2 guys in Texas. (One of which is a serial liar who claimed to be a 9/11 first responder )

MEDIA FROWNS

But wait there is 5 more . . .

I find it incredibly Ironic
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Speaking of which; it's interesting that after days, they start to show up within a 30 minute window


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"Drain the swamp" was a refrain of Donald Trump during the presidential campaign, but Newt Gingrich says the president-elect "doesn't want to use it anymore" now that he's knee-deep in alligators.

"I'm told he now just disclaims that. He now says it was cute, but he doesn't want to use it anymore," Gingrich, who informally advises Trump, said Wednesday on NPR's "Morning Edition."
Well done guys. Drain that swamp
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The left was BEGGING. Enlisting Hollywood. Citing Alexander Hamilton, because ya know he's so hot right now. Michael Moore was trying to rally his fans. Networks were hyping up the high drama. Will they do it? Will they save us?



Meanwhile the actual GOP electors were getting death threats. Needed police escorts in some spots.



In the end just 2 guys in Texas. (One of which is a serial liar who claimed to be a 9/11 first responder )



MEDIA FROWNS



But wait there is 5 more . . .



I find it incredibly Ironic

Still not irony, read past the headlines.

Plus, I didn't realize Giuliani was from Texas?


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Oh, hey... A hardliner as embassador to Israel. What could go wrong?
I know...

Let me count the ways...

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The left was BEGGING.
Bullshit. The media was being inflammatory. You saw folks here perhaps admitting to what was wishful thinking. That's about it.

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Again. Inflammatory media. Maybe you're gullible, but this presence of an expected Trump revolt... nonexistent.

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Yeah, that was me. If you're going to mock me, I suggest remembering that you're doing so when quoting me. I pulled a quote from Wikipedia about the founding of the electoral college. It was an interesting quote. You can also quote me (and Headache a few seconds after my post) immediately striking down an electoral revolt as a pipe dream the day the media caught hold of the idea.

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What fans? Who can you cite here or anywhere that is actually a "fan" of Michael Moore? The man hasn't been relevant since GWB term 1. Again, media inflammation to generate clickbait. You're a sucker if you bought into it.

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Networks were hyping up the high drama. Will they do it? Will they save us?
Finally. Now we are talking. The news networks manipulating folks emotions are not indicative of what folks believe.



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Meanwhile the actual GOP electors were getting death threats. Needed police escorts in some spots.



In the end just 2 guys in Texas. (One of which is a serial liar who claimed to be a 9/11 first responder )



MEDIA FROWNS



But wait there is 5 more . . .



I find it incredibly Ironic
It's not ironic. If it were ironic, there would be an understanding that people felt the electors were going to revolt against Trump. People by and large have accepted the shitty reality that Trump will be president. They didn't hold their breath until Monday. You might think it's ironic, but that's because you bought into the media craze.

If you want irony that stretched beyond the media, Trump's victory could be described as irony. He wasn't supposed to win by all counts. Models had him unlikely. Vocal support had him unlikely. Popular support was against him. Yet, he still won. That, superficially, can be described as irony.
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