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Old 02-22-2014, 01:40 PM   #141
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There's quite a few love stories in the Bible.
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Awesome poetry there.


I'm not saying that the bible has nothing on love, I wouldn't dare. But it's just that our notion of Romantic love is quite different than how it was so many years ago. Those definitions have evolved, as have those of marriage and equality and so many other things.
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Romantic love isn't new, but the ideal of continuing romantic love within marriage between people who will have a companionable relationship (not just a sexual, custodial and economic one) really is. There are narratives that suggest that exactly the opposite is desirable even in the present. Just think of all the different variations on the idea of a man who is pussy whipped, ie more influenced by his wife than his male peers.
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Awesome poetry there.


I'm not saying that the bible has nothing on love, I wouldn't dare. But it's just that our notion of Romantic love is quite different than how it was so many years ago.
Not sure that's true. Read any Latin love poetry (like Catullus) and funeral epitaphs and you'll see a great deal of romantic attachment there, much of it strikingly similar to how people act today. In any case, the idea/existence of romantic love is anything but new.
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Romantic love isn't new, but the ideal of continuing romantic love within marriage between people who will have a companionable relationship (not just a sexual, custodial and economic one) really is.
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Not sure that's true. Read any Latin love poetry (like Catullus) and funeral epitaphs and you'll see a great deal of romantic attachment there, much of it strikingly similar to how people act today. In any case, the idea/existence of romantic love is anything but new.


The idea of romance isn't new, I agree, but the idea of romance justifying and sustaining a marriage seems to be a 19th century idea.
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Eh, I don't know, maybe as a common practice? It's not like we don't have the great love stories of history, like Romeo and Juliet to tell us that people did desire to marry people they loved as much as 400 years ago.
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This little thing just popped up in my news feed. How the Mind Rationalizes Homophobia - Nathaniel Frank - The Atlantic
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Eh, I don't know, maybe as a common practice? It's not like we don't have the great love stories of history, like Romeo and Juliet to tell us that people did desire to marry people they loved as much as 400 years ago.
Well, most of the historical accounts of marriage we have are either from the elites or couched in legal terms. If we were to judge marriage in this culture from the language of pre-nups and divorce settlements, or from Kim & Kanye style marriages, we'd likely conclude there is little romantic attachment/companionship here, either.
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Well, most of the historical accounts of marriage we have are either from the elites or couched in legal terms. If we were to judge marriage in this culture from the language of pre-nups and divorce settlements, or from Kim & Kanye style marriages, we'd likely conclude there is little romantic attachment/companionship here, either.

Or sacredness.
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Well, most of the historical accounts of marriage we have are either from the elites or couched in legal terms. If we were to judge marriage in this culture from the language of pre-nups and divorce settlements, or from Kim & Kanye style marriages, we'd likely conclude there is little romantic attachment/companionship here, either.
That is one of the best examples on why marriage isn't quite all that sacred anymore. If you look at celebs and how fast they marry and divorce, why is that okay and not two people who love each other and want to stay together forever marrying? The bible was pretty much against divorce as well, right?
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3 GOP lawmakers reverse support of Arizona bill criticized as anti-gay - latimes.com


It's not even safe to be a Republican these days.
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Well the truth is that that's not a republican viewpoint. Or an American viewpoint, at that.
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it's due to gay bullies who demand tolerance for them, but won't tolerate my intolerance of their tolerance which means that my freedoms are trampled by their freedom not to be discriminated against by me which is my religious freedom.

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heartening to know that not only are our opponents really old, they're really dumb:




cathartic. go Coop.
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It does sometimes get difficult to tell whether Republicans are evil, stupid, or simply some combination of the two.
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It does sometimes get difficult to tell whether Republicans are evil, stupid, or simply some combination of the two.
Now, now... that's unfair. Add "some" in between "whether" and "Republicans" and it's a bit more fair. Also might add "or so greedy for power and position that they're scared shitless of standing up against the Tea Party and losing one or both" to the end of that.
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File that under "evil."
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Erm.... Riiiiiiiiiiiight..
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