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Old 01-09-2012, 11:21 PM   #241
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to Mrs Garrison .

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Citing the work of one anti-poverty expert, Santorum said, "He found that even fathers in jail who had abandoned their kids were still better than no father at all to have in their children's lives."
Allowing gays to marry and raise children, Santorum said, amounts to "robbing children of something they need, they deserve, they have a right to. You may rationalize that that isn't true, but in your own life and in your own heart, you know it's true."
Shuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut up. For the love of God, just shut the hell up.

Why in the world is this issue still even something to debate anymore? If in this day and age you're still THAT disturbed by the idea of gays getting married and having kids, clearly you're a complete and total idiot, and I'd love to know how uber-perfect your life apparently must be, then.

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At a private boarding school Friday, the Republican presidential candidate's voice grew emotional as he argued that only a man and woman should be able to marry. "Marriage is not a right," Santorum said. "It's a privilege that is given to society by society for a reason.... We want to encourage what is the best for children."
Aw, he got emotional, how touching .

Yeah. Let's let kids grow up with fathers in prison and mothers who are tied to such scumbags and who make shit choices for husbands and fathers instead of living with two people of any gender in the house (or one person) who loves them dearly and who will tuck them in at night and feed and clothe them and help them with their schoolwork. 'Cause clearly the first option is better.

And if marriage isn't a right, then why get so bent out of shape over something that you see as a simple privilege? Privilege implies that it's not nearly as necessary as it would be were it a right.

I guess apparently Newt Gingrich defended the "sanctity" of marriage at one of the debates recently, too. Please, the next time he does that, can a reporter point out to his face that he's been married three times? PLEASE. I would love for someone on national TV to bring that up right to his face.
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Old 01-09-2012, 11:53 PM   #242
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good job Mormons!

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Massive pile of madness here. I'm not sure which part is the nuttiest. The bit about Europe? Sharia law? Iran? Take your pick.

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Huntsman is just plain warmed over milk toast down right careeeepy...a bad actor..
It's funny that you think that about him but not about Romney.

I think Huntsman seems like a man with integrity, high standards of decency, and real smarts.
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It's funny that you think that about him but not about Romney.

I think Huntsman seems like a man with integrity, high standards of decency, and real smarts.

..a lot of Liberals like him..
he has gotten a teeny bit of traction in NH..

however, he comes across as stuffy to a most ppl, i think.

you likes his eyebrows, eh?

mitt on the other hand comes across as earnest and optimistic, looking for solutions, huntsman- a boring committee type person.

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And if marriage isn't a right, then why get so bent out of shape over something that you see as a simple privilege? Privilege implies that it's not nearly as necessary as it would be were it a right.
I guess some people think that only people like them deserve certain privileges. And that they have the right to determine who does and who doesn't. If they start allowing everyone certain privileges then maybe they're worried that they won't be so freakin special any more.
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you likes his eyebrows, eh?
I don't give a damn about his eyebrows. They're not going to help this country any more than Obama's ears have.
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I think Huntsman seems like a man with integrity, high standards of decency, and real smarts.
All that may be true, but the cohesiveness and organization of his campaign is right on par with that of a high school student council race.

Not only that, there's a bit too much condescension in a lot of what he says. And he never directly answers the questions at the debates- I mean, a lot of people don't, but especially him.
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I don't give a damn about his eyebrows. They're not going to help this country any more than Obama's ears have.
i think he has too much charisma to be potus.

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i think he has too much charisma to be potus.
Who he? Obama?
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Huntsman breath..
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No. Huntsman..sarcasm..
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All that may be true, but the cohesiveness and organization of his campaign is right on par with that of a high school student council race.
Isn't it pretty much generally accepted that this is mostly just a test run/get your name out there adventure for 2016?
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Isn't it pretty much generally accepted that this is mostly just a test run/get your name out there adventure for 2016?
1) I highly doubt it. He spent zero time in Iowa, which is a terrible strategy if you're trying to build an organization for next time. Plus, if he can't catch fire in this field, there's no way he'll be able to compete with the likes of Christie, Rubio, Paul Ryan, Rand Paul, etc.

2) No, because Mitt Romney will be the incumbent Republican in 2016.
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I think Huntsman seems like a man with integrity, high standards of decency, and real smarts.


Stephen Colbert tops Jon Huntsman in South Carolina - MJ Lee - POLITICO.com

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I guess some people think that only people like them deserve certain privileges. And that they have the right to determine who does and who doesn't. If they start allowing everyone certain privileges then maybe they're worried that they won't be so freakin special any more.
Good theory. 'Cause, you know, nothing says, "I'm special!" like nonsensical prejudices and blatant idiocy.

Sigh. Whatever the reason, the whole thing's just stupid as hell.

As for Santorum...

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Then he launched into a curious tangent: "I thank God for America that our southern border is Mexico," he said. "And it's not Libya, and it's not Tunisia, and it's not Iran. Mexican culture and American culture is Western civilization, and the basic values and understanding of our laws and our government are based in those Western civilization traditions. That is not the case in Europe, and you're seeing the effects of it. I have nothing at all against people in this hemisphere who want to immigrate."
...um...'kay.

Also, call me crazy, but I REALLY don't think it's a good thing for my potential president to be buying into the "end times apocalypse" hysteria. That whole belief's disturbing enough on its own, to have a possible leader of the free world follow it is chilling on so many levels.
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That sect of Shia Islam believes in the second coming of a messiah, a second coming that will bring on the apocalypse. Santorum - who believes in the second coming of a messiah, a second coming that will bring on the apocalypse - finds that dangerous. Funny (and, just quietly, 'a plague on both your houses' and all that).

Also, claiming western civilisation as the product of the US and antithesis of Europe is either proving yourself to be beyond stupid, or all too clearly showing that you think your support base is that stupid. I assume with Santorum it's both.
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^ I think he may have been referring to Europe's non-Western (Muslim) immigrant populations, rather than to where Western culture comes from.
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Isn't it pretty much generally accepted that this is mostly just a test run/get your name out there adventure for 2016?

Huntsman is the other party's favorite candidate.

Much like Joe Lieberman was the favorite Democrat Candidate if the GOP chose the Dem nominee.

Huntsman will never appeal to the national GOP, there are places where he could win office against the right candidate.
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That sect of Shia Islam believes in the second coming of a messiah, a second coming that will bring on the apocalypse. Santorum - who believes in the second coming of a messiah, a second coming that will bring on the apocalypse - finds that dangerous. Funny (and, just quietly, 'a plague on both your houses' and all that).


is this true, though? Santorum is a Catholic, and i don't think Catholics are all that into the rapture like most conservative American protestant evangelicals.
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