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Old 05-05-2016, 12:19 PM   #521
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I think FP ranks 2nd for POTUS. For everyone who's been disappointed with Obama, I just don't get it. He ended the two wars we were in, two wars which liberals were so against, that made Dubya out to be the worst president we've ever had....

But FP is tricky. The middle east is a mess, and has been for a very long time. The fact that some people openly wish Saddam was still in power should illustrate how fucked up of a region that is.

Obama has said himself he wishes Libya would have ended up differently. Doubt he means keeping the regime in power, but what happened after MG's death/removal.

We are putting less soldiers in harms way. We are operating on a different scale now. This is a mess that we started, and we're finding out there's no easy way to end it. Like it or not, we are probably stuck in that region for a while.

My personal opinion is to try and support the less evil of candidates and groups that arise. We keep hearing about how the youth of a country like Iran is very much more progressive than the leaders, and similar in other countries. Revolutions (real ones) can take time, and a lot of chaos before something better/stronger can take hold.

I don't think Hillary is going to just send us into 30 wars like some people make it sound. I see her continuing Obama's methods. Hopefully learning from mistakes along the way.

I shudder to think what would happen with Trump or Bernie in charge in this area. Trump would bomb everything, and Bernie would ignore. Both damaging to our relations
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I'm fine with special forces and drones to keep ISIS in check. In regards to the middle east, we're damned if we do, damned if we don't. ISIS will still try to harm the west regardless of our involvement. They want world domination, not isolation.

Everybody wants to rule the world. It's not an excuse for intervention. Their legitimate threats are generally combatted with intelligence. Sometimes, individuals slip through. But dropping bombs and killing civilians is lateral at best when trying to slow them down. Except innocent people have to die. Intervention beyond intelligence is not worth it.
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ISIS will still try to harm the west regardless of our involvement.
But their effectiveness depends on their ability to recruit people to their cause.
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so, this is interesting, and runs counter to what we've been talking about. that people who support Sanders and Clinton are poorer than those who support Trump:



i have totally been swept up in this narrative about a shattered white working class in burnt out small town America. communities with no hope and beset by opiates, alcoholism, obesity, and suicide. a demographic where women have a lower life expectancy than they did 20 years ago. a group of people left behind by modernity and globalism who are turning to a demagogue to focus their fears.

but it appears as if those people aren't the Trump supporters. so maybe it's time we started calling Trump supporters by their true name: assholes.
While I agree they are assholes, I think these numbers are a little skewed by the demographics and geographic locations of many of each candidates supporters and don't project an honest picture of who a particular candidate's supporters really are.

Lower middle class whites in the Northeast, where Trump has done well, still make significantly more than poor, urban African Americans or your west of the Mississippi, more rural white voters... where Trump has done poorly.

But they still fit the larger scope of your description and thoughts. They just happen to be in a region if the country where it takes a lot more to not be poor.
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This is Trump's Facebook post today, along with a lovely pic of him eating said taco bowl.

He's not even trying anymore. He's playing you all for fools and mocking you to your face at the same time, and his comment section shows you all still don't get it.
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but it appears as if those people aren't the Trump supporters. so maybe it's time we started calling Trump supporters by their true name: assholes.
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thank you. i try my best.

it seems as if Bush 1, Bush 2, and Paul Ryan aren't willing to be counted as assholes.
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is this not the tweet of an asshole?

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I liked Tiny Dick Donald better.
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is this not the tweet of an asshole?

If you look at the bottom of the he full picture...



...you will see Marla Maples, his ex, in a bikini.

Not to mention blueprints behind him, cause he's such a builder. Huge builder. And look at all those trophies. Cause he wins.

Thanks, Republicans.
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I've been to Mexico 4 times, various regions. Never saw a single taco "bowl".

Is there some other "Hispanic" country that specializes in them?
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If you look at the bottom of the he full picture...



...you will see Marla Maples, his ex, in a bikini.

Not to mention blueprints behind him, cause he's such a builder. Huge builder. And look at all those trophies. Cause he wins.

Thanks, Republicans.



All of which leads us back to the Trump Troll Theory.

Honestly, how does he not know how this reads? This is about winning the asshole vote.
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Expect to see a lot more of this

First on CNN: Rick Perry endorses Donald Trump for president - CNNPolitics.com


And less of the nevertrumps, they are about as relavent now as they were during the primaries

Nixon said when there is a movement to stop X, X usually wins.
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based upon the style of posting in here lately and all the name calling
many of you are already ceeding defeat
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