Reporter and Cameraman Murdered on Live TV

[Bluer White]

Originally Posted by nbelcik

Katrina’s Hidden Race War | The Nation

It was 10 years ago this week that armed vigilantes shot and killed at black people in the aftermath of Katrina. They were scared they would loot their homes, so they organized a militia and shot at any black person walking around. Gun culture+fear of the other=violence

"Some of the gunmen prowling Algiers Point were out to wage a race war, says one woman whose uncle and two cousins joined the cause. A former New Orleanian, this source spoke to me anonymously because she fears her relatives could be prosecuted for their crimes. "My uncle was very excited that it was a free-for-all–white against black–that he could participate in," says the woman. "For him, the opportunity to hunt black people was a joy."

"They didn’t want any of the ‘ghetto niggers’ coming over" from the east side of the river, she says, adding that her relatives viewed African-Americans who wandered into Algiers Point as "fair game." One of her cousins, a young man in his 20s, sent an e-mail to her and several other family members describing his adventures with the militia. He had attached a photo in which he posed next to an African-American man who’d been fatally shot. The tone of the e-mail, she says, was "gleeful"–her cousin was happy that "they were shooting niggers.""


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I do wonder if the murder of the two TV folks by a troubled black homosexual while shooting live video and live tweeting it should be considered a hate crime.

[Bluer White]

Nbelcik, kindly post some of thenation's stories about safety in Baltimore in the last twelve months, and inner-city Chicago, etc, etc.

[Bluer White]

Originally Posted by PhilsFan
But hold on guys, Pac Mule wants to have some guns.

Originally Posted by Bluer White

But what ?

Philsfan, I'd like to hear your plan for Pac's guns. Thanks.

[nbelcik]

Originally Posted by Bluer White

I do wonder if the murder of the two TV folks by a troubled black homosexual while shooting live video and live tweeting it should be considered a hate crime.

Considering that he was targeting people who he had personally been angry at, rather than targeting random people because of the race, religion, ethnicity, etc. no, it would not be considered a hate crime. Nice try though.

http://www.thenation.com/article/why-baltimore-burns/

And here's an article on Baltimore by the Nation. Turns out that when you establish an extremely lopsided distribution of resources through hundreds of years of violence leaving people with little to no hope of economic advancement, eliminate government programs that help inner city youth, ship jobs overseas, cut education funding, and basically neglect to help the inner city at all, crime and other social problems are the result. Who would've thought.


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[Oregoropa]

Bluer White is right. Chicago and Baltimore are descending into daily black on black violence not seen in decades. And we don't get the same outcry from the gun-control merchants and #blacklivesmatter.


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[Bluer White]

Originally Posted by nbelcik

And here's an article on Baltimore by the Nation. Turns out that when you establish an extremely lopsided distribution of resources through hundreds of years of violence leaving people with little to no hope of economic advancement, eliminate government programs that help inner city youth, ship jobs overseas, cut education funding, and basically neglect to help the inner city at all, crime and other social problems are the result. Who would've thought.


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Nbelcik, I did read the article you posted a few times over. Thanks for responding to my question about recent gun safety in Baltimore.

[nbelcik]

Originally Posted by Oregoropa

Bluer White is right. Chicago and Baltimore are descending into daily black on black violence not seen in decades. And we don't get the same outcry from the gun-control merchants and #blacklivesmatter.


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http://chicago.suntimes.com/uncatego...hucks-gun-shop

http://www.ibtimes.com/spike-lee-cal...cusack-1976037

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...otherwise.html

Just because you don't hear about it, doesn't mean it isn't happening.


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[nbelcik]

Originally Posted by Bluer White

Nbelcik, I did read the article you posted a few times over. Thanks for responding to my question about recent gun safety in Baltimore.

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[Bluer White]

Originally Posted by nbelcik

Considering that he was targeting people who he had personally been angry at, rather than targeting random people because of the race, religion, ethnicity, etc. no, it would not be considered a hate crime. Nice try though.

I'm aware of Mr. Flanagan's sorted work history.

[PhilsFan]

Originally Posted by Bluer White

Philsfan, I'd like to hear your plan for Pac's guns. Thanks.

I'd like to take his guns away but I still have to formulate a plan for stealing them. Pac Mule, what is your vacation schedule?


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[Bluer White]

Originally Posted by PhilsFan

I'd like to take his guns away but I still have to formulate a plan for stealing them. Pac Mule, what is your vacation schedule?


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You hafta to respect a straight theft LOL

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by Oregoropa

Bluer White is right. Chicago and Baltimore are descending into daily black on black violence not seen in decades. And we don't get the same outcry from the gun-control merchants and #blacklivesmatter.


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What? What are you even talking about? It's all anyone in Baktimore (or DC) is taking about this summer -- the uptick in violence (even though crime is still at historic lows).

The big issue in DC has been the loosening of our once stringent anti-gun laws by the gun nuts, the ease of getting guns in VA, the removal of vice squads, and massive retirements in the MPD. All this combined with the rise of the synthetic drug trade, like K2.

But the issue is still one of guns, guns, guns. Too many guns. Small beefs become deadly simply because someone has a gun.

What amazes me about conservative thought is the creation of these so-called narratives where they make sweeping statements like "BUT NO ONE EVER TALKS ABOUT THIS BECAUSE MAINSTREAM MEDIA." It's like, what? What planet are you on?

And I don't have the energy to even touch on the problematic "black on black" violence comment.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by Bluer White

I do wonder if the murder of the two TV folks by a troubled black homosexual while shooting live video and live tweeting it should be considered a hate crime.

Do you know what a hate crime is?

[nbelcik]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

But the issue is still one of guns, guns, guns. Too many guns. Small beefs become deadly simply because someone has a gun.

http://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9217163...ca-guns-europe

Excellent point. I read this Vox article the other day that goes into research about why America has such high rates of gun deaths. Not surprisingly, we don't have higher rates of crime, we have a higher rate of gun deaths because we have more guns and guns tend to escalate situations.

"People with guns don't understand. That's why they get guns. Too many misunderstandings!"- Jerry Seinfeld



It's also worth noting that much of the guns that have been traced after being used to commit crimes in Chicago come from places that have lenient gun control laws, such as Indiana.


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[bono_212]

And people use that as an excuse as to why we shouldn't bother doing anything. It's either:

A) They'll just get the guns somewhere else (in this case: Indiana)

or

B) If Chicago has the strictest gun control laws, then clearly gun control doesn't work (in this case: ignore that Indiana is only 20 minutes away)

[LemonMelon]

The ENTIRE STATE of Maine has fewer homicides than Chicago!! Must be all them guns protectin' em!!

[BVS]

Originally Posted by Oregoropa

Bluer White is right. Chicago and Baltimore are descending into daily black on black violence not seen in decades. And we don't get the same outcry from the gun-control merchants and #blacklivesmatter.


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Fox News narrative, but like 99% of their narratives, factual incorrect.


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[BVS]

Originally Posted by Bluer White

I do wonder if the murder of the two TV folks by a troubled black homosexual while shooting live video and live tweeting it should be considered a hate crime.

Swing and a miss...


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[Headache in a Suitcase]

If you use "buh-buh-buh-but major cities like New York, Chicago and DC have strict gun laws and it doesn't stop shootings" as one of your arguments against gun control, you're a moron.

[Bluer White]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

Do you know what a hate crime is?

Well, I'm nominally familiar with Mr. Flanagan's employment record, and very familiar with the manifesto fax he sent out explaining his act.