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Old 09-25-2015, 08:30 PM   #21
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The GOP is the one who always supposed to reach across the aisle, while the Democrats are rarely ever called on to reciprocate.
This just simply isn't true. There are plenty of Republicans and Democrats reaching across the aisle. The problem is that the far right wing of the Republican party thinks that compromise is a dirty word (instead of the necessity it is in a democratic government). The shutdown of 2 years ago and the imminent threat of one now is entirely their creation.
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The party of no is the one meant to reach across the aisle? That's rich.
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Old 09-26-2015, 07:12 PM   #23
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I wonder if people know that lots of people who work for the government don't receive their paychecks during the shutdown. You know like... people who have bills to pay. And families to feed.
Yeah, but the government is bad and evil and overreaching and and stuff (which, of course, naturally explains why the politicians who rail against it are trying to get jobs in this government they supposedly can't stand), so who cares, right?

Seriously, I hope that whole mess can be avoided somehow, for your sake as well as the fact that Congress just needs to grow the fuck up for once. I'd love to think, if there was a shutdown, the GOP would actually get the flack for it, since it's their ridiculous platform that would be at the heart of the whole situation. But they'll no doubt find some way to convince their supporters that the whole thing is all Obama's fault somehow, 'cause he wasn't willing to compromise with them or some BS like that .
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Old 09-26-2015, 07:19 PM   #24
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The government can't afford to keep spending money that they don't have.
So I guess that boils down to whether you believe that continuing to increase the debt is worth keeping the government from shutting down. My belief is no.
Start cutting spending elsewhere so we're not constantly running deficits. If we were fiscally responsible, we wouldn't be in this predicament. That's certainly the fault of both parties.
This is equally the republicans and democrats fault. Both parties suck.

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So you're ok with cutting defense budget right?


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I don't know if bobsaget's post was a response to me, but I was just thinking about the Planned Parenthood thing in regards to the shutdown, since I'd heard that that was a big issue that could lead to that happening. If that's the case, that's what I mean by "ridiculous platform".

I agree that the government blows a lot of money on both sides, though. But I don't know that a shutdown is going to help fix that problem. Especially since my guess is that if the government did shut down, the parties would just try and find some sort of temporary solution to get it back up and going again as quickly as possible, in an attempt to avoid pissing off the public at large.

As a result, they'd continue to keep kicking the issue of out of control spending down the road, like they have before, and a few months or a year or so from now we'll be dealing with that problem all over again. And the cycle will just keep continuing. A shutdown is a mere band aid solution, if that.
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the parties would just try and find some sort of temporary solution to get it back up and going again as quickly as possible, in an attempt to avoid pissing off the public at large.
This is a huge reason for our debt and lack of bipartisanship on both sides. Politicians are not willing to make the tough cuts and choices because someone won't be happy. Can't appease everyone all the time.

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As a result, they'd continue to keep kicking the issue of out of control spending down the road, like they have before, and a few months or a year or so from now we'll be dealing with that problem all over again. And the cycle will just keep continuing. A shutdown is a mere band aid solution, if that.

This is why spending has to be cut. Major changes have to be done. We're just doing the same thing we did last time and that didnt work out too well since we're back in this hole again.



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I agree with that. I'm just saying that I don't think shutting down the government will do much, if anything, to make your suggestions happen. I don't think Congress will take the shutdown as seriously as they should if it happens, and any "compromises" they make to end it will be superficial in nature and full of grandstanding, instead of a chance for them to actually genuinely work together and agree to make serious, hard cuts within their respective parties.
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I agree with that. I'm just saying that I don't think shutting down the government will do much, if anything, to make your suggestions happen. I don't think Congress will take the shutdown as seriously as they should if it happens, and any "compromises" they make to end it will be superficial in nature and full of grandstanding, instead of a chance for them to actually genuinely work together and agree to make serious, hard cuts within their respective parties.

Basically we're screwed either way.
If we get shut down, they'll end up making BS compromises to end it.
If we don't get shut down, they'll end up making BS compromises to prevent it.
Blaming one singular party or one singular person for this will get us nowhere. But of course, we have an election coming up so everything will hinge on politics as usual. Blame the opposite party for everything and take no fault within their own party.
We need a leadership overhaul in our country. We need new leaders in congress and a new president. What's going on now isn't working and is worse than it's ever been.


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Since Boehner doesn't have to worry about political pressure and threats to his position from passing a clean funding bill, there shouldn't be a shutdown. He can easily go to Democrats to get the votes since there are no consequences for him now (that's why him resigning reduces the chances of a shutdown).

Don't know what'll happen when McCarthy becomes Speaker though. I hear he's well regarded by the GOP caucus, but Speaker is a whole other level above Majority Leader, and I'm skeptical he has the clout to keep his caucus together. He's only been in Congress since 2007, vs Boehner who's been there since 1990. Relationships are huge and McCarthy doesn't seem to have them.
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This is a huge reason for our debt and lack of bipartisanship on both sides. Politicians are not willing to make the tough cuts and choices because someone won't be happy. Can't appease everyone all the time.




This is why spending has to be cut. Major changes have to be done. We're just doing the same thing we did last time and that didnt work out too well since we're back in this hole again.



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Or should taxes be raised on the wealthiest? Back to rates not seen since the 1950s?
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Basically we're screwed either way.
If we get shut down, they'll end up making BS compromises to end it.
If we don't get shut down, they'll end up making BS compromises to prevent it.
Blaming one singular party or one singular person for this will get us nowhere. But of course, we have an election coming up so everything will hinge on politics as usual. Blame the opposite party for everything and take no fault within their own party.
We need a leadership overhaul in our country. We need new leaders in congress and a new president. What's going on now isn't working and is worse than it's ever been.


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You realize that the present shutdown threats have nothing to do with debt and everything to do with Planned Parenthood?

Also, it's entirely fair to blame a goventment shutdown on one party. Entirely.
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Also, it's entirely fair to blame a goventment shutdown on one party. Entirely.

This is why I don't waste my time talking to you. You are delusional.


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Where is the "delusion"?


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This is why I don't waste my time talking to you. You are delusional.


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I admit, I've never heard that before.

But I'll talk to you.

I want to know, why do you think the Democrats would also be to blame of the government is shut down? Is it because they refuse to negotiate with terrorists?
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Today, Boehner described Tea Party leaders in Congress as "false prophets" for promising things that can never be legislatively delivered. Eric Cantor at the same time has penned an op-ed in the NY Times saying the same and educating his own party followers on how laws are passed constitutionally. The GOP is coming apart at the seams, slowly but surely.
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Today, Boehner described Tea Party leaders in Congress as "false prophets" for promising things that can never be legislatively delivered. Eric Cantor at the same time has penned an op-ed in the NY Times saying the same and educating his own party followers on how laws are passed constitutionally. The GOP is coming apart at the seams, slowly but surely.
And not soon enough. The fringe elements of the party need to get it over with and split. It'll be better for everyone.
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Eric Cantor at the same time has penned an op-ed in the NY Times saying the same and educating his own party followers on how laws are passed constitutionally.
Ooooooooh, I'll need to check that out.

And "false prophets" is a spot on description of the party.

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The GOP is coming apart at the seams, slowly but surely.
Now if only we could get their support base to realize how messed up their platform truly is.
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