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[GoodMachine9]

Elevation has more swagger and funk than any "dad rock" song that I've ever heard. Weird and inaccurate description.

That's what happens when you listen to only one band.

 

[GoodMachine9]

Oh look, another irrational music snob!

Well if you're going to name drop expect a level of cynicism.

 

[Haywa1979]

That's what happens when you listen to only one band.

I don't, but please keep making broad, sweeping, arrogant generalizations about your personal hangups regarding "guitar riffs." It's amusing, I'll give you that.

 

[dabiggestu2fan]

Good and haywa let’s try to keep this thread mainly for reviews, if you want to fight it out do it over the pm. This thread should be for reviews and discussing reviews in a civil manner. Can we all just respect that? It’s not too much to ask I hope!

 

[Northside]

I have assembled all available data and decided Lights of Home will be my favorite. Bring on Songs of Ascent.

 

[GoodMachine9]

Indeed, reviews of brand new albums on first listen will either be biased positive (especially fan reviews, because the excitement of hearing new u2 can make you think they are the best songs since fill in the blank) or biased negative (as mentioned the albums may be growers). Really the only accurate reviews should really be made years after an album is released. The test of time is the best indicator of an album’s quality.

What makes you think the test of time is the critical criteria of criteria? There are numerous factors that contribute towards the overall picture that is the short view, as well as the long view; however, the long view never forms the short view, while the short view almost always informs the long view.

 

[Haywa1979]

What makes you think the test of time is the critical criteria of criteria? There are numerous factors that contribute towards the overall picture that is the short view, as well as the long view; however, the long view never forms the short view, while the short view almost always informs the long view.

Simply not the case with many people. Anyone who has a decent understanding of human psychology knows about the severe biases that accompany first, second, or even third impressions. Long-term analysis and understanding are a far, far better indicator. Not sure how you don't realize that.

 

[rennowba]

It's the lame guitar riff and stolid lyrics that lend the song that quality of osteoporosis. Generalizations about the kids at school and the top of the charts doesn't change the music on the record, and the music on the record is a far cry from being a good rock song like Sunday Bloody Sunday, Desire, The Fly, and others.

(And I forgive you Kasabian and Royal Blood because of Arctic Monkeys)

That's all your opinion though, it's each to their own. Is elevation as good as Sunday Bloody Sunday the fly etc etc no it's not but that really wasn't the question it was about the dad rock tag line, to be honest though I've never got the quote dad rock

take it you don't like kasabian or royal blood then I saw the arctic monkeys when they started out in a swimming bath leisure centre. Was superb .

 

[rennowba]

Good and haywa let’s try to keep this thread mainly for reviews, if you want to fight it out do it over the pm. This thread should be for reviews and discussing reviews in a civil manner. Can we all just respect that? It’s not too much to ask I hope!

Blame me, pretty sure I started it by name dropping elevation

Is it December 1st yet ????

 

[Haywa1979]

That's all your opinion though, it's each to their own. Is elevation as good as Sunday Bloody Sunday the fly etc etc no it's not but that really wasn't the question it was about the dad rock tag line, to be honest though I've never got the quote dad rock

take it you don't like kasabian or royal blood then I saw the arctic monkeys when they started out in a swimming bath leisure centre. Was superb .

He not only doesn't like kasabian or royal blood, he thinks they are so bad that he feels compelled to FORGIVE you for liking them.

 

[Mrs. Garrison]

Yikes! Get ready for a hot take folks.


Andy Hermann‏ - LA Weekly Music Editor

@AndyHermannLA
Pleasantly amazed at how good #U2SongsOfExperience is. Not wall-to-wall winners but they sound re-energized and "American Soul" is their best song in at least a decade.

 

[CosmoKramer]

Blame me, pretty sure I started it by name dropping elevation

Is it December 1st yet ????

Elevation is a song that tends to send this place into a tizzy.

 

[GoodMachine9]

Simply not the case with many people. Anyone who has a decent understanding of human psychology knows about the severe biases that accompany first, second, or even third impressions. Long-term analysis and understanding are a far, far better indicator. Not sure how you don't realize that.

Sounds like bro science. But of course you've done your research.

 

[Haywa1979]

Sounds like bro science. But of course you've done your research.

First "dad rock", and now "bro science". So much bizarre and obvious bias in just a few words.

And yes, I have in fact done my research.

 

[GoodMachine9]

Simply not the case with many people. Anyone who has a decent understanding of human psychology knows about the severe biases that accompany first, second, or even third impressions. Long-term analysis and understanding are a far, far better indicator. Not sure how you don't realize that.

What does the element of time have to do with the appraisal of art? When you eat a plate of food, can you not digest it and form a critical opinion without years and years elapsing? The question is, is there something with your ears, bro? Or just the cotton between them?

 

[GoodMachine9]

First "dad rock", and now "bro science". So much bizarre and obvious bias in just a few words.

And yes, I have in fact done my research.

Please, please illuminate us, Highwain.

 

[rennowba]

Elevation is a song that tends to send this place into a tizzy.

I've noticed

 

[Haywa1979]

What does the element of time have to do with the appraisal of art? When you eat a plate of food, can you not digest it and form a critical opinion without years and years elapsing? The question is, is there something with your ears, bro? Or just the cotton between them?

Equating eating a plate of food to processing complex music? Where do I even start? I really cannot take you seriously after that. Troll away.

 

[GoodMachine9]

Equating eating a plate of food to processing complex music? Where do I even start? I really cannot take you seriously after that. Troll away.

That is a hilariously deprived perspective. So you're saying gastronomy is a lesser art because it emanates from the mouth instead of the ear?

 

[GoodMachine9]

Equating eating a plate of food to processing complex music? Where do I even start? I really cannot take you seriously after that. Troll away.

In fact, I'd say, Chuck Hughes current menu is more complex than Songs of Innocence, and much more enjoyable too boot.

 

[Wide Awake n AZ]

Please, please illuminate us, Highwain.

Obvious troll is obvious.


Art is liked or not based on factors far beyond a single perspective. To hammer away at derisive tropes is the most obvious trolling out there...far beyond asking questions with obvious answers

 

[CosmoKramer]

So being that this thread was derailed briefly, I'm lost with the reviews. Does someone have a summary?

 

[redhill]

Yes, they can all be summarized quite simply. There are a few standout tracks we haven't heard yet.

Arguments ensue because most of us are impatiently waiting.

 

[BVS]

What does the element of time have to do with the appraisal of art? When you eat a plate of food, can you not digest it and form a critical opinion without years and years elapsing? The question is, is there something with your ears, bro? Or just the cotton between them?

FFS, the OP has asked politely and several times for this thread to stay on topic. Is that so hard?

 

[dabiggestu2fan]

Time has a lot to do on how we judge the art of music. Food is meant to be eaten and enjoyed in the moment. So if you have a good plate you will enjoy it right away based on the taste, texture etc etc. You can’t possibly come back 5 years later and say you know I hated that dinner I had five years ago but now come to think about it I enjoyed it. Either your taste buds enjoy it or not. Music needs time to digest and repeated listens. On first listen you may miss certain elements or you may not understand the lyrics so you can’t relate to it. This is why some albums are “growers” you begin to “get” them over many listens. The same can be said about easily accessible albums, you may get them and enjoy them at first but over repeated listens you may find it actually bores you. Do you see any “classic” albums in the present day? When we think of classic and important albums, you are thinking of albums that are 10,20,30 or even 40 or more years old. An example that has been demonstrated here is achtung baby, AB when it came out, many people thought u2 lost their minds, yet now it is regarded as one of the most important albums of the 90’s if not ever. This is what I mean by the test of time. If say SOE is regarded as a masterpeice in 20 years from now (ie an album both fans, casual fans and even non u2 fans) still remember and talk about, one can safely say the album was good. There are albums that are loved when they first come out and are never remembered again 20 years later. Anyway comparing music to food is like comparing apples to oranges. One is meant to be enjoyed in the moment while one is meant (if it’s good) to last dacades.

 

[dabiggestu2fan]

FFS, the OP has asked politely and several times for this thread to stay on topic. Is that so hard?

Thanks BVS!

 

[dan_smee]

The food analogy is ridiculous. If you were never allowed to listen to the music again, and had to keep opinions based on memories, then MAYBE it would be a valid point.

If you are claiming it is a meal you can replicate and eat repeatedly because it is a favourite, I think this runs counter to your argument, because I don’t enjoy some of the things I used to cook repeatedly - Mee goreng noodles from a packet were all the rage at uni - haven’t had them in years, and really don’t want to.

 

[dan_smee]

To give a different analogy:

This thread was 5 stars initially, and The was valuable when we could find all the reviews. Over time, it has revealed itself to be a bit shit because of the potential for derailment - my review of it now is 1 star.

If we get back on topic, my opinion will change again.

 

[CosmoKramer]

To give a different analogy:

This thread was 5 stars initially, and The was valuable when we could find all the reviews. Over time, it has revealed itself to be a bit shit because of the potential for derailment - my review of it now is 1 star.

If we get back on topic, my opinion will change again.

So what you are saying is the thread started like the first 3 songs on NLOTH and at the moment we are somewhere between Boots and Stand Up Comedy and you’re hoping to hit Breathe soon....something tells me we are closer to hitting Miami though

 

[dan_smee]

So what you are saying is the thread started like the first 3 songs on NLOTH and at the moment we are somewhere between Boots and Stand Up Comedy and you’re hoping to hit Breathe soon....something tells me we are closer to hitting Miami though

Precisely