RobertWiscy
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What's a Colorado?
Watching this tempest in a first world teapot, I've little doubt there will be some kvetching from disgruntled jackanapes complaining about being forced to pay for an album everyone else got for free.
Gee, which one of these doesn't belong?
So the Vinyl resurgence is because.......
Young people are spending much of their time using various social media outlets, but they are doing so while, yup you guessed it, listening to music. I have a niece and nephew who are 21 and 19 respectively and music is a very major part of their daily lives. Plus, I have two nieces who are 10 and 8 and they listen to music all of the time on their ipods.
Originally Posted by BoyOnTheHorizon View Post
Are you sure about that? Maybe I am not 100 % accurate. But there is a sense that people just don't spend much time listening to music as they did in the early 90's for example. I mean, really listening, like if almost everyone was an expert. People had really big interest about music; and now maybe the social media took music's place in some extent. Young people spend much of their time using Facebook, Instagram and Twitter. Maybe, just maybe, that is one reason that made people care less and less about music. Maybe people give less of their time to music as they did 20 years ago. I don't know...
So I'll go with this -- the vinyl resurgence is sort of like scrap-booking and cooking trends that have come around as a way to unplug from endless technology a bit and swim upstream... it seems different but accomplishes similar things emotionally... magazines and books have survived too, even though the content can be had online. I think there is actually a name for the broader concept, but I don't know what it is.
And, I have kids 11,11 and 9. Music is a tiny part of their life behind Netflix, XBox and apps and technology -- not into social media yet.
When I was this age, I listened to Kiss on a crappy record player over and over and played outside until my mom got pissed off and I missed dinner.
My 20 something step kids are not into music as much as I was at that age either... social media and video games for them.
In general, I think music does have more competition from other outlets today.
I wanted to make my views about the apple deal
1-u2 teaming up with apple is great all round i think
2-what artist wouldnt take guranateed money regardless of how many records they sell to sign up to apple? I bet theres not many.
3-Im fed up of hearing that the albums been given away. Apple have paid for the rights to the album.U2 have been paid millions more then they would of if they just did a standard release. Again what artist wouldnt say yes??
4-i have no problem with the album landing in everyones itunes folders.
5- now this is the big mistake u2/apple made. This removal tool should have been there from day one. If people didnt want it, it should have been really easy for the user to delete it. It wasnt easy to delete, users shouldnt have to change their settings to delete an album they didnt want in the first place. The easy option should have been there.This would have stopped this backlash i think.
6 - the albums great
The removal tool is stupid.
The album should have been free, but not pushed. You should have needed to want the album, even for free. They could have advertised the crap out of it in emails and on iTunes and through other various iOS ads and gotten the same level of success.
The delivery method has now taken the attention away from the album its self. Nobody's discussing the music. This can't be what U2 wanted. That part of the conversation could have been avoided. The positive aspects (the music, FREE) are being overlooked.
Yes, people would have made snarky comments regardless, but it wouldn't have been THIS heavy. The delivery method outweighs the product, and that can't be a good thing.
People are suggesting that if any band had done this there would still be some sort of a backlash? perhaps but it maybe depends on the 'sell' and presentation aspect. Say they had they used the phone/watch launch just to announce that the album in on the U2 iTunes page and if you want it go get it, then I think there'd be little if any of this ridiculous bs, but a little subtlety can go along way - just for once.
Trent Reznor never got much if any crap for The Slip, Ghosts sampler and How To Destroy Angels free releases.
I didn't even know Trent Reznor gave away anything for free...
I supose if bono was doing the sex drugs and rocknroll gig he would be seen as cool but because he is a born again christian and does alot for charity he is hated. Sad but true
He also gave away samplers of his two film scores. He had very generous few years. It's funny how many people have given away free music, yet when U2 do it they are ruining the music industry. And I don't seem to recall anyone claiming to be violated by Jay Z when he slapped his album onto a bunch of phones.
I understand that maybe they should have not pushed the album onto people's iTunes, but to be outraged is ridiculous!!! It really is unbelievable to me what causes "outrage" these days. 14 years ago when Metallica went after Napster people were "outraged" by the band's greed. They were already rich enough, why freak out over the downloading of their music. Now with this, U2 went into a deal with Apple to give the album away. Outrage? This backlash is pathetic!!!!
So there's a few things inherently wrong with your comment.
1) Reznor did/does not announce his free things with the pomp and circumstance that U2 have, and is not nearly as big as U2, and thus wouldn't get nearly the attention this has gotten. A band like Radiohead, however, DID get a lot of the same criticisms from industry types, Paul McGuinness included, when they released their album for "free."
2) Magna Carter Holy Grail was released via an app that the user had to search out and download. It was not "slapped" onto anyone's phone. You had to actually go get it.
I imagine that's why Apple and U2 went this route... to be slightly different than what Jay Z did. It seems to have backfired a bit.
Hollow Island; said:I hope they don't do it again, it distracted too much from the album itself.