Irvine511
Blue Crack Supplier
i am continually amazed at how sentimental conservativism has become. what a long, long way from Goldwater, and even Reagan.
diamond said:The point though Mitt is *not* the front runner, and most Republicans know that Mitt won't get nomination.
dbs
unico said:
i thought he was. who is the republican front runner?
Irvine511 said:it's intersting to find Mitt Romney at a negative rating of 44%, even higher than HRC.
unico said:thanks for the clarification beav & diamond.
beav & diamond
2861U2 said:
I wouldnt take that poll real seriously. According to them, not a single candidate is remotely likable. Although, who knows, maybe that's the case right now.
diamond said:
Well perhaps this would be a pertinent article, this journalist assigned to cover Edwards shares his observations on Edwards and Dean and how they contrast:
Why I see John Edwards as a big phony
By BRAD WARTHEN - Editorial Page Editor
U2DMfan said:
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1626498,00.html
from Bob Shrum's book
an excerpt from the linked article above:
Kerry talked with several potential picks, including Gephardt and Edwards. He was comfortable after his conversations with Gephardt, but even queasier about Edwards after they met. Edwards had told Kerry he was going to share a story with him that he'd never told anyone else—that after his son Wade had been killed, he climbed onto the slab at the funeral home, laid there and hugged his body, and promised that he'd do all he could to make life better for people, to live up to Wade's ideals of service. Kerry was stunned, not moved, because, as he told me later, Edwards had recounted the same exact story to him, almost in the exact same words, a year or two before—and with the same preface, that he'd never shared the memory with anyone else.
Kerry said he found it chilling, and he decided he couldn't pick Edwards unless he met with him again. When they did, Kerry tried to get a better personal feel for his potential number two; as rivals for national office since 2000, shortly after Edwards had entered the Senate, the two men hadn't spent a lot of time together. Kerry also wanted a specific reassurance. He asked Edwards for a commitment that if he was chosen and the ticket lost, Edwards wouldn't run against him in 2008. Edwards agreed "absolutely," as Kerry recalled him saying. If Kerry had shared this at the time, I would have told him what I did later: it was naive to think he could rely on a promise like that. Unlike Joe Lieberman, who'd been plucked from relative obscurity by Gore, Edwards had made his own mark in the primaries. He was ambitious—and if he saw his chance the next time, he was likely to go for it.
On the day the Edwards pick was made public, Edwards and I talked for the first time since I had informed him of our decision to work for Kerry and he had reacted angrily. He said he knew I'd helped get him on the ticket and he was grateful. I told him that I welcomed the possibility that we might be friends again, but that wasn't the reason for my preference. I believed it was the right move for Kerry. Kerry's relationship with Edwards would sour after the election—and mine would simply fade away. When Elizabeth discovered she had breast cancer, John and Teresa reached out to help the Edwardses find the best doctors they could. Marylouise and I called—but afterward, never heard from John again. Maybe we shouldn't have expected to. Kerry told me that the Edwardses simply stopped returning calls or talking to him and Teresa. Within months, Edwards started preparing for a bid in 2008. Kerry said that he wished he'd never picked Edwards, that he should have gone with his gut.
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My gut reaction is that, along with all the other anectdotal evidence, seems to fit. Now, I don't doubt that he wants to fight for the impoverished and a lot of his politics I agree with quite a bit but I just think he's a fake.
All politicans are fake on the stage, in their stump speeches and through the press, we all know this. When people say you are a phony on a personal level, partisan colleagues at that, I don't think it makes him look real good.
There is always a chance that he might be misunderstood and that his detractors are bitter but at some point if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck........
diamond said:
You're welcome.
Polling Data Averages:
Giuliani 28.2
Thompson: 17.0
Mitt 12.7
McCain: 12.7
Ginrich 8.5
Overall Nationally Rudy leads by +11.2
Rasmussen 08/16 - 08/19 Giuliani +7.0
Gallup 08/13 - 08/16 Giuliani +13.0
Quinnipiac 08/07 - 08/13 Giuliani +13.0
American Res. Group 08/09 - 08/11 Giuliani +11.0
CNN 08/06 - 08/08 Giuliani +8.0
Cook/RT Strategies -Giuliani +10.0
dbs
diamond said:
I think Edwards will do just about anything to seek public office-which is sad.
diamond said:I think Edwards will do just about anything to seek public office-which is sad.
Irvine511 said:
you mean like being pro-choice, and then not?
like being pro-gay marriage, and then not?
anitram said:I can't vote.
Irvine511 said:
you mean like being pro-choice, and then not?
like being pro-gay marriage, and then not?
Irvine511 said:what i think is making Hillary so appealing has been the total disaster of the Bush years.
instead of a dick-swinging cowboy who governs with his gut and don't need no focus groups (nor facts) to make decissins, i'd much, much, much rather have a poll-driven, cautious, measured, meticulous, kind of boring leader who's simply not going to fuck up. i doubt she'll accomplish anything great, but she's not going to continue to drive the country into the ground the way Bush has. i feel fully confident that she'll hold her own on the international stage as well -- no one fucked with Thatcher, why would they fuck with her?
phanan said:I really like Obama, but quite honestly, I just don't think he's ready for the job. When the NH primary comes around, I'll probably register as a Democrat to vote for HRC.
A lot of people seem to think Clinton should pick Obama as a running mate if she wins, and while I don't know if he'd do it, I think it would be a great ticket.
Irvine511 said:and since we're talking about negatives, and how people should just give up and walk away if someone doesn't like them, it's intersting to find Mitt Romney at a negative rating of 44%, even higher than HRC.
it seems that some in his own party won't vote for him no matter the circumstance.
probably due to religious bigotry.
LemonMelon said:
Well, he's not only a Morman; he's a flip-flopping Morman. I agree with you that there is definitely some religious prejudice in there, but he is fake. Charismatic, but fake.