lovveu2
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gabrielvox said:
Feel silly yet?
Not in the least!
gabrielvox said:
Feel silly yet?
Headache in a Suitcase said:so take your shnide little comments about how we should have known and it's our own fault and, frankly, to be kind, shove 'em up your fucking ass.
Headache in a Suitcase said:
and just like if a family member of ours died for a stupid reason, we would get annoyed and pissed off if someone from another family started telling us how it was our own fault? yea... same goes for this. trust me... i know we fucked up. we know we fucked up. doesn't diminish the fact that thousands of our own are dead. so take your shnide little comments about how we should have known and it's our own fault and, frankly, to be kind, shove 'em up your fucking ass.
lovveu2 said:
I am sure you are not questioning my commitment to Africa are you? Since you know me "well" you know that I have worked tirelessly on this since the mid 80's.
As I said we are the "UNITED STATES of American...so I do take it personally.gabrielvox said:
I'm out. .
lovveu2 said:
As I said we are the "UNITED STATES of American...so I do take it personally.
LPU2 said:
But there is a common element in both of these tragedies: poverty. And how we ought to take better care of one another. I think that's what Bono will focus on. Because, when you think about it, hasn't that been the message all along?
gabrielvox said:
Thank you Thank you Thank you!!! What Ive been saying!
Treating poor people like shit ANYWHERE in the world is a situation worth our attention for a few seconds at a U2 concert!
gabrielvox said:
You take me taking issue with what posters on Interference say personally? Whoa, since when did you join the Blue Mob?
After all, that is all I've been commenting on
That the notion that Americans cant/dont care about both issues is to me ridiculous.
And you seemed to agree with that comment.
So why are you still on me again? lol
lovveu2 said:
so I get very upset when someone comes in and questions the actions we are taking or NOT taking to help OUR people.
BTW see you next week and then we can debate this in person
gabrielvox said:
OK! Finally! Hurrah! Then might I respectfully suggest, that you direct your arrows at the people in this thread who were questioning the actions YOU/AMERICA are/are not taking?
Youre still not listening.
(and no, we wont be debating this, we'll be respectfully listening to Bono discuss both issues - and then enjoying the rest of the show and week!! )
Headache in a Suitcase said:
no one's saying eliminate it... all i'm saying is that if he bloviates on for 5 minutes at a time, which he's known to do, that the message will get lost.
lovveu2 said:
Ok then I guess I wouldn't be seeing you...
gabrielvox said:
Um., ok so since I wont debate you wont see me?
Grrrrrrr
lol
Headache in a Suitcase said:
i'm not saying eliminate the africa talk... i'm just saying cut it back a tad. there is a point where a message, as great and wonderful as that message may be, can start to get annoying. like it or not, that's just fact.
live8 happened... the g8 made progress on the issue... and now america is worried about what's going on in the gulf region. you could be a doctor or social worker... whatever... someone who deals with helping other people, but if someone in your own family suffers a horrific tragedy, your focus is obviously going to shift to your own family, even though there are still others out there suffering as much if not more. it's simple human nature. it's the same with a nation... yes, there's people around the world suffering as much if not more than those in new orleans and the rest of the gulf region. but those suffering down south right now are our own people. they're part of our family. obviously our thoughts will be with them first.
Chizip said:
It seems like you went onto this big rampage without really
reading what people had to say.
ruffian said:
First, you are assuming that most people are going to hear the message over and over--that simply isn't the case. Maybe 5% of fans will be hearing multiple concerts, and if they get "annoyed" then I'd say that concern for their reaction is outweighed by the 95% of people who haven't heard the message yet on this tour. I really don't give a crap if people are tired of hearing about Africa. It is an unconscionable situation given the immense wealth that exists in the first world.
Secondly, I think that the crisis in Africa is qualitatively different than the natural disaster's we've seen with the Tsunami and New Orleans. While I don't think that we can "rank" tragedies like these, I do know that the legacy of European colonialism in Africa has created and perpetuated structural, institutionalized inequalities. The actions of the rest of the world have directly contibuted to famine, violence, disease, and widespread poverty in Africa. The West has categorically ignored these problems. Live8 and the G8 are not the end result of the campaign to reduce debt. They are barely a starting point, and more likely than not, the leaders at the G8 summit will find (and have already found) ways around their promises of debt relief.
I'm sure U2 can acknowledge that New Orleans is a tremendous tragedy that has displaced hundereds of thousands of people--but the fact that it is our own nation and "our own people" (and those people who are victims of the natural disaster have their own experiences with inequality) doesn't merit, in my opinion, letting the issue of Africa recede.
U2girl said:People who don't want to hear about the troubles of a whole continent for a few minutes - at a U2 show, go figure - can stay home. I'd love their ticket.
I also don't see how some people are so sure he won't say anything about New Orleans. That said, let's keep the focus on what is the bigger issue.
Interestingly enough, people moaned about his Africa activism back on Elevation yet everyone loved it when Bono talked about 9/11.
Headache in a Suitcase said:
people who pay hundreds of dollars for tickets to see a singer who's wealthy beyond any of their imaginations talk about how we're not doing enough to help the poor will bitch and moan.... period.
those who are already educated on the issue know that the fact that he's wealthy has nothing to do with it and that throwing dollars at the cause is just a band aid on a gaping head wound.
but it's kinda tough to explain that to a half drunk crowd in 5 minutes. thus... people will bitch and moan about it once again.
the pain caused by events such as 9/11 and katrina is easy to understand. you can feel it. you can touch it. the issues in africa are a bit more complex.
before you start bashing americans, how many eurpoeans used the sarajevo satellite feeds as a bathroom break?
assholes are not limited to a single continent.
U2girl said:
People going to U2 shows should know what to expect from Bono and the band. PERIOD.
It's not about issues being more complex, it's about "this happened here and I can relate but the other stuff is miles and miles away and I don't want to deal with it" attitude, or even better, "I'm at a rock show and want to have fun, no serious stuff better be talked about tonight".
I wasn't bashing Americans - this goes for everyone that is so eager to jump at a rock star actually promoting a good cause.
U2girl said:
It's not about issues being more complex, it's about "this happened here and I can relate but the other stuff is miles and miles away and I don't want to deal with it" attitude, or even better, "I'm at a rock show and want to have fun, no serious stuff better be talked about tonight".
Headache in a Suitcase said:
the number of times i've heard the "if he cares about it so much why doesn't he just give them all his money and stop asking for ours we're already paying enough" is quite high.
Headache in a Suitcase said:
the number of times i've heard the "if he cares about it so much why doesn't he just give them all his money and stop asking for ours we're already paying enough" is quite high.