bono_man2002
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I have to say, theses star wars threads make for good reading at 1:11AM, as somone who can't sleep
U2Kitten said:Was the prophecy correct? It said that Anakin was the chosen one who would defeat the Sith and bring balance to the force. But he turned to the dark side and joined the Sith, so how could this be? Wasn't it really Luke who was the chosen one? But hold on- who killed Palpatine? Vader! (Anakin) So maybe, from a certain point of view it was correct after all!
nbcrusader said:
The specific prophecy is never revealed, only a brief summary (which Yoda suggests may have been misinterpreted).
mdw3935 said:
That is a good one also U2 kitten. I didn't even think about that one. Now that I am, I think you might be right that Anakin was the chosen on after all. It would just take several years for it to come true.
One thing is for sure is that I'm enjoying reading everyone's different take on this saga.
U2Kitten said:Was this the plan of Yoda and Obi Wan, to get Luke to face him and turn him back so he could defeat Palpatine, because they knew it was he who must? Is this why they originally didn't want Luke to know it was his father because then he wouldn't want to face him? Did they want him to do this, or kill Vader? What do you think?
knox said:
[*]How in the world does Palpatine's lighting so terribly disfigure himself in Revenge Of The Sith, while Luke walks away unscathed in Return Of The Jedi?
AvsGirl41 said:
Because Palpatine is summoning/using the Force lightning. Yoda wasn't disfigured either. Neither was Mace Windu or Darth Vader (when he gets zapped in Jedi). Anthony is right, it's having to control that power that disfigures the Emperor.
I do wonder why Force lightning doesn't leave any scars on the person being fried, but maybe it works from the inside out.
Anthony is right, it's having to control that power that disfigures the Emperor.
But if he had the power to create babies with the force, why wouldn't he have done that over and over and had many many powerful, force-filled children he could manipulate to the dark side? Wouldn't that have been better than making all those clones of Bobba Fett's Dad?
trojanchick99 said:Late to the discussion. Regarding Padme... I think that Lucas may have changed his mind on this. I read where Lucas had shot a storyline where Padme formed the Rebel Alliance. This was cut from the film. After seeing the end, I think he changed the death of Padme for reasons of shortening the film.
trojanchick99 said:Late to the discussion. Regarding Padme... I think that Lucas may have changed his mind on this. I read where Lucas had shot a storyline where Padme formed the Rebel Alliance. This was cut from the film. After seeing the end, I think he changed the death of Padme for reasons of shortening the film.
Anthony said:
U2Kitten you raise a really cool point; I've always believed that Anakin was the chosen one. I remember someone crying out at the end of Phantom Menace 'so it was all Qui-Gon's fault!', in reference to his insistance of training Anakin. Well, yes and no. In the end, he was right - he 'did' bring balance to the force, just not in the way the Jedi thought (this is where the misinterpretation of the prophecy could be related to). I don't think that the series is insipid enough to say that it was 'Luke' (whom I've always hated, by the way) who brought balance to the force 'through his love for his father'. My, how insanely cheese would 'that' be.
No, it was Anakin. He was the Chosen one. However, I think Yoda and Obi-Wan's plan was less nuanced than that - they clearly believed that Vader could never be turned and wanted Luke to kill both the Emperor and Vader (rather ambitious, I thought). Incidentally, thats also why Obi-Wan didn't tell Luke who his father was, so he would have less angst when it came to killing daddy (quite cynical for Mr. Kenobi, but he was always the bitter realist).
Ant.
U2Kitten said:That would have been interesting, but very complicated. So she'd have had Leia with her, but ditched her little Luke? I don't think she'd do that. Then you'd have all the conflicts of Vader knowing she was against him, it could get very nasty. They'd have had to find a way to kill her character anyway, eventually, since she does die. It would have taken too long. This way all we have to deal with is what Leia said in Jedi. Either way what happened to Padme' was very sad.
nbcrusader said:
No, the beginning of the rebel alliance starts around the same time Padme questions "whether we are on the right side". As Palpatine grows in power and the Senate vote to grant even further power, a group of Senators, including Bail Organa and Mon Motha, discuss their options. At one point they even question whether Padme should be part of this new Alliance due to her close relationship to Palpatine.
phanan said:Now there's a character I thought we'd see more of - Mon Mothma. She certainly plays a crucial part along with Bail Organa. Perhaps the DVD will include some missing scenes with her.
mdw3935 said:I my opinion Padme's character was not strong at all in ROTS. I hated the fact that she died because she lost the will to live, especially after she had just given birth. I'm sorry but any mom will disagree with that. I would have accepted her death better if it was Anakin that actually killed her, since he did choke her. You know some side effect from the strangle hold he had on her, not the medical speaking she is healthy, she has just lost the will to live.
I don't know, maybe it is just me.
U2Kitten said:
That would have been interesting, but very complicated. So she'd have had Leia with her, but ditched her little Luke? I don't think she'd do that. Then you'd have all the conflicts of Vader knowing she was against him, it could get very nasty. They'd have had to find a way to kill her character anyway, eventually, since she does die. It would have taken too long. This way all we have to deal with is what Leia said in Jedi. Either way what happened to Padme' was very sad.
It could have worked. I think it would have been a really awesome ending if we'd seen Padme willingly give up her children for their protection and the last we see of her is either with the Rebel Alliance, or leaving to find Anakin to try and turn him again. Then we could have just assumed she died in fighting, but that she lived long enough for Leia to remember her. It would have been more in line with her gun-wielding politician. (And keep the tear-jerking scenes of Alderaan and Tatooine.) Presto! See, George, it's not hard!
The parallel of both Padme and Anakin "dying" was very dramatic. I thought it worked.
AvsGirl41 said:Well, on a total fluke I was looking at the "Return of the Jedi" storybook--I think it's the same one I had in 1984! Memories...
Kids were smarter in 1984, there's actually big words and real dialogue from the movie.
Anyway, in the book Leia says "My real mother died when I was very young..." So that clears up what mother she's talking about.
But I never thought very young meant infancy.
melon said:I think books don't count in the official canon, but we get these kind of arguments from "Doctor Who" fans too. Generally speaking, TV/film writers usually exclude books from the official canon, because it's too difficult to keep everything together, and they probably haven't even read the books themselves.
Melon