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unico said:
I feel like you see your conservative right side, and the "diversity" in opinion there,
I think you give him too much credit, I don't think he even recognizes this.
unico said:
I feel like you see your conservative right side, and the "diversity" in opinion there,
trevster2k said:I have never heard of Yearly Kos but if Bill O'Reilly is condemning it, it must be awesome!!!!!!!
BonoVoxSupastar said:
Changing the status quo and taking the power away from white conservative males is a hateful value, didn't you know?
trevster2k said:I have never heard of Yearly Kos but if Bill O'Reilly is condemning it, it must be awesome!!!!!!!
BonoVoxSupastar said:2861, I challenge you to back this up.
First give one example of how YearlyKos is hateful.
Second, define the "far-left" and give one example of how these canidates are pandering to them. Just one, hell I'll give you all day to come up with something too. For you'll need it.
BonoVoxSupastar said:
Second, define the "far-left" and give one example of how these canidates are pandering to them. Just one, hell I'll give you all day to come up with something too. For you'll need it.
2861U2 said:
Gladly.
1) I found this poll on one of their pages:
DO YOU CARE THAT TONY SNOW HAS CANCER?
a) Yes. I unconditionally feel sympathy for anyone who is suffering.
b) Yes, but it is harder to feel sympathy for a man who has so much damage to our nation.
c) No, but I don't want to see his family suffer.
d) No. He's the public face of a thieving, murdering government. He deserves no mercy.
e) Can't decide either way: ambivalent.
f) Don't care at all.
Option "a" was winning- by one vote. Truly, truly disrespectful. If that isnt a demonstration of passionate hate towards someone, I really dont know what is. It is inexcusable, yet I know you or someone else here will defend the poll.
Then, of course, there are pictures like this:
I could find more examples I'm sure, but I really dont like being on that site.
2861U2 said:
2) Nice try. In terms of world politics, far-left implies communism, anarchy, things like that which arent much found in the US. But I'm talking about the American political spectrum. These people are the extreme left wing- the left of the left. The Democratic candidates are pandering to them because if they dont, they will become Joe Lieberman (who is a moderate) in the above picture.
Pander: to appeal to, so as to achieve one's purpose.
The candidates attending YearlyKos shows that they endorse the hate so easily found on the site. Each one of them owes Mr. Snow and Senator Lieberman an apology for supporting the extremely rude postings that the Kos traffics in.
BonoVoxSupastar said:
have you seen images and opinions on here that you don't agree with? Does that make this site hateful?
BonoVoxSupastar said:Wow, you didn't define a thing or give one example of how they are pandering. Am I suprised? No.
2861U2 said:The person who constructed that poll ... are not fair, moderate, everyday Americans. They are the extreme wing of the Democratic Party.
martha said:
I don't care about the poll or the website, but I'd like you to prove this statement please.
2861U2 said:
At the time I checked the poll, there were 166 votes. 116 of them were not for option A. Do you think if you took that same poll nationwide you would get the same result? Do you really think two-thirds of Americans are apathetic about Snow's cancer and/or want him to die and are happy about it? You cannot say whoever thought "Hmm... I'll make a poll about Tony Snow's cancer and have most of the choices wish him ill" (or whoever voted in it) is a fair human being. How can the candidates go to a convention attended by the people that wish Snow ill, but they wont go on Fox News? That is absolute pandering.
2861U2 said:
Interference is different. DailyKos is a political blog publishing news with a liberal viewpoint. Interference is a forum with no specific purpose. In other words, there are sub-forums on here to talk about whatever you want to talk about. If someone in here printed the Tony Snow poll above, and a presidential candidate came to a Free Your Mind convention, I would have a problem with that unless that candidate condemned the poll and any other hateful material. Zero of the candidates acknowledged that there are some pretty bad things on the Kos. No mention. BVS- wasnt that a bad move? What do you think of the Tony Snow poll?
2861U2 said:
Incorrect. I condemned each candidate for going to the convention and endorsing the site which thrives in hateful material. That's how they are pandering- by working to get the support of people who publish the Tony Snow poll. The people who constructed that poll (as well as everyone who voted for options "b" through "f") are not fair, moderate, everyday Americans. They are the extreme wing of the Democratic Party.
2861U2 said:
At the time I checked the poll, there were 166 votes. 116 of them were not for option A. Do you think if you took that same poll nationwide you would get the same result? Do you really think two-thirds of Americans are apathetic about Snow's cancer and/or want him to die and are happy about it? You cannot say whoever thought "Hmm... I'll make a poll about Tony Snow's cancer and have most of the choices wish him ill" (or whoever voted in it) is a fair human being. How can the candidates go to a convention attended by the people that wish Snow ill, but they wont go on Fox News? That is absolute pandering.
BonoVoxSupastar said:
Do you really think everyone takes internet polls like this seriously? Look at the polls we've had in here.
Come on, give me a break.
2861U2 said:
These people are the extreme left wing- the left of the left. The Democratic candidates are pandering to them because if they dont, they will become Joe Lieberman (who is a moderate) in the above picture.
2861U2 said:I would love to respond to the rest of these points right now, but I really dont want to spend all day on Interference. I leave for school in a few days, and I have a million things to do. Adieu.
2861U2 said:
I dont think you can compare that poll with "Vote for your favorite Beautiful Day artwork." I would think that with the former, people would take that a little more seriously and be a tad more considerate and humane.
2861U2 said:
I would love to respond to the rest of these points right now, but I really dont want to spend all day on Interference. I leave for school in a few days, and I have a million things to do. Adieu.
Vincent Vega said:I'm just curious, as I study Economics, how should a state that collects less and less taxes work?
Of course it always can spend its money more effectively and efficiently, but come on, at some point you just aren't able to cover your costs anymore.
Infinitum98 said:
I say, keep taxes low, get rid of useless earmark spending, end the war in Iraq, get rid of subsidies for Oil companies, and spend more on healthcare and education.
2861U2 said:
I dont think you can compare that poll with "Vote for your favorite Beautiful Day artwork." I would think that with the former, people would take that a little more seriously and be a tad more considerate and humane.
I would love to respond to the rest of these points right now, but I really dont want to spend all day on Interference. I leave for school in a few days, and I have a million things to do. Adieu.
If DailyKos were published by a discrete core of individuals then I could see your point. But it isn't; as BVS said, it's by design an open site, and a huge one at that. They presently average 544,632 visits per day, and as of early 2006 they had more than 100,000 members and more than 248 regular 'diarists' posting entries daily--both numbers which have doubtless grown considerably since then. While they do have diary 'guidelines' (per the linked FAQs above), they don't have 'moderators,' so in practice only things which are viewed--and strongly objected to--by large numbers of members are likely to get deleted, something which by their own admission (again, see the FAQs) they strongly prefer to avoid. Now, it is true that their 'main' page (all URLs beginning with dailykos.com/main/...) consists only of 'diaries' written by the site owner and 15 'contributing editors', most of them permanent, a few rotated through annually at his selection. The Tony Snow entry (and the photo) you're referring to, neither of which appear to exist on the site anymore anyhow, were not from the main page--they don't delete those entries--and the 'poll' most likely appeared in the comments section of one of the hundreds of minor 'diaries,' which seems to be where the 'polls' option is normally used. One could just as well--and just as arbitrarily--have chosen the minor diary entry 'Our Prayers Go Out To Tony Snow And Family' as "representative" of DailyKos instead.2861U2 said:Interference is different. DailyKos is a political blog publishing news with a liberal viewpoint. Interference is a forum with no specific purpose. In other words, there are sub-forums on here to talk about whatever you want to talk about. If someone in here printed the Tony Snow poll above, and a presidential candidate came to a Free Your Mind convention, I would have a problem with that unless that candidate condemned the poll and any other hateful material. Zero of the candidates acknowledged that there are some pretty bad things on the Kos.
yolland said:
If DailyKos were published by a discrete core of individuals then I could see your point. But it isn't; as BVS said, it's by design an open site, and a huge one at that. They presently average 544,632 visits per day, and as of early 2006 they had more than 100,000 members and more than 248 regular 'diarists' posting entries daily--both numbers which have doubtless grown considerably since then. While they do have diary 'guidelines' (per the linked FAQs above), they don't have 'moderators,' so in practice only things which are viewed--and strongly objected to--by large numbers of members are likely to get deleted, something which by their own admission (again, see the FAQs) they strongly prefer to avoid. Now, it is true that their 'main' page (all URLs beginning with dailykos.com/main/...) consists only of 'diaries' written by the site owner and 15 'contributing editors', most of them permanent, a few rotated through annually at his selection. The Tony Snow entry (and the photo) you're referring to, neither of which appear to exist on the site anymore anyhow, were not from the main page--they don't delete those entries--and the 'poll' most likely appeared in the comments section of one of the hundreds of minor 'diaries,' which seems to be where the 'polls' option is normally used. One could just as well--and just as arbitrarily--have chosen the minor diary entry 'Our Prayers Go Out To Tony Snow And Family' as "representative" of DailyKos instead.
Frankly, I think the same problem would apply to your hypothetical 'FYM convention' ( not a bad idea though)--FYM has 336,630 posts and counting, stretching back 7 years, from hundreds of members. No candidate is going to have their staff go through every one of those posts looking for anything they perhaps ought to distance themselves from. If some particular post had somehow drawn national media attention for its 'hatefulness,' OK, then you might expect that to be addressed. Articles from the official Interference main page--OK, fair game. But the fact that you personally went onto DailyKos at some particular point in time and found some particular unsavory 'poll' going on down in one of the hundreds of rabbit holes comprising that labyrinthine site doesn't really mean anything. This is simply a reality of campaigning as we move into an age where the diffuse, decentralized world of the Internet increasingly exerts an influence on the process; it just doesn't make sense to treat items cherry-picked from the entirety of such a sprawling and open site as representative of its 'official' stance.
Good luck with school this year.
Varitek said:
Where do you go to school, and what is your major/field of interest?
2861U2 said:but we will all find out come next year if the American people are ok with that association.
martha said:
Most people have no idea who or what YearlyKos is, and most people have other tests for candidates.
martha said:YMost Americans just don't give a shit.
2861U2 said:
Look, my point is that I dont think any presidential candidates should associate themselves with such people or groups.
BonoVoxSupastar said:I could say the same thing about the extreme Christian right.
yolland said:
The Tony Snow entry (and the photo) you're referring to, neither of which appear to exist on the site anymore anyhow, were not from the main page--they don't delete those entries--and the 'poll' most likely appeared in the comments section of one of the hundreds of minor 'diaries,' which seems to be where the 'polls' option is normally used.