dan_smee
ONE love, blood, life
You can design songs so they'll be a hit. Which is what U2 is doing these days.
Its true you can.
Thats why im such a famous musician, all the hits that i designed.
You can design songs so they'll be a hit. Which is what U2 is doing these days.
It's catchy, and it's radio friendly. So what? It's a fucking grandiose song. Who says they created it to be a hit? Again, they can't create something and then ensure it sells millions. It sells on its own merits, of which there were many.It is catchy, radio friendly pop that the band created to be a hit.
I don't know what they said exactly but they went from interesting lyrics to the most generic, constant-radio-play rocker you could imagine because it would sell records.
I'm not saying that at all. That's what the band seems to think though.
You ignored the post you quoted. I said that you can't ensure that a song is a hit, because that is up to the general public, who buy songs according to their own tastes or because of the song's merits. In fact, designing songs that are made to appease the public often backfires as people can see through it.You can design songs so they'll be a hit. Which is what U2 is doing these days.
What was S. Thing turning into ? The Best of version and the original B-side sound almost exactly the same already.
Wave of sorrow actually is finished, they only added the lyrics. Again no hit there, and certainly no single.
I'd be ashamed for them if Always had made the album when it had the potential they realised in BD, and read again the reason why they re-wrote Native son, it wasn't about money.
How creative can you get with a Best of selection ? You put hits on it and a new song or two. They did that, and actually, Saints did better on radio airplay and charts so there goes your theory that WITS sold U218.
You ignored the post you quoted. I said that you can't ensure that a song is a hit, because that is up to the general public, who buy songs according to their own tastes or because of the song's merits. In fact, designing songs that are made to appease the public often backfires as people can see through it.
Please don't forget that Bono wrote the song as an apology to his wife for forgetting her birthday. It is a cheesy, adorable love song, exactly what it was in '87, exactly what it was upon re-release, and that's why I love it so much. You forget that songs mean certain things to the band, and that they made them, not you. If you want to discuss your dislike for the songs for what they are, feel free, but don't challenge their motives when you have no evidence, because you're basically insulting all the fans of these songs and albums for being sucked into commericalised crap.It was going into a funky, loose Trip Through Your Wires sort of thing.
But why go for the hit when you can do something creative instead? People were going to buy the Best of's anyways.
BD was turned into something that would sell. The same with Native Son. While they could have just improved upon them they instead turned them into first singles to make sure the albums sold.
If being on Interference has taught me anything, there are some creative things you could do with a best of. At the time, a lot of people were wishing for a live best of. That's just one idea. While WITS didn't sell U218, it sure as hell was meant to.
If you want to discuss your dislike for the songs for what they are, feel free, but don't challenge their motives when you have no evidence, because you're basically insulting all the fans of these songs and albums for being sucked into commericalised crap.
Sweetest Thing was destined for more than being a simple pop song. Instead of doing something innovative with it they decided to make it generic pop that would make them lots of money.
I have evidence but you are ignoring it. It isn't insulting anyone since it is the truth.
OK... So if I understand your line of reasoning, it's this:
- Change a song and that song turns out to be successful = not creative, only done for the money
- Change a song and that song turns out to be failure = creative
Evidence please?
If its the same shit in this thread, don't piss and moan when people hate you for saying their favourite band are sellouts. You couldn't expect otherwise surely?
And yeah, feel free to ignore the first part of that post that destroys your Sweetest Argument.
It was going into a funky, loose Trip Through Your Wires sort of thing.
But why go for the hit when you can do something creative instead? People were going to buy the Best of's anyways.
BD was turned into something that would sell. The same with Native Son. While they could have just improved upon them they instead turned them into first singles to make sure the albums sold.
If being on Interference has taught me anything, there are some creative things you could do with a best of. At the time, a lot of people were wishing for a live best of. That's just one idea. While WITS didn't sell U218, it sure as hell was meant to.
Nah, alcohol has fucked up my brain enough already.I have given you tons of evidence, already. Read back through the thread.
That's like saying 'I don't like ice cream. I do, however, enjoy frozen confection made from dairy products such as milk or cream, and assorted flavourings, sweeteners, and various other ingredients.'I don't like the word 'sellouts.' I do think the band has chosen being financially successful and being so popular above creativity. They aim for the simple not the creativity they are known for.
Yeah, but it was "simple pop" before, that's what you're ignoring. The changes from the '87 version to the Best Of version are so minimal, I can't understand how you think the song could have been anything else other that what it became, without the aid of a variety of hallucinogenics, or just general dumbasseryI know what the song is about that doesn't change that it was heading away from simple pop before the band wanted a hit.
No.
They are changing a song for the sole purpose of having a hit that will sell records. They choose making a hit above trying to be creative.
First of all - guys, I dont think there's any point arguing with Screwtape. Seems like talking to a brick wall. I dont mean that as an insult, but honestly, man, when you have essentially no one on your side, it should give you cause to re-examine your thinking. And this isn't the first time this has happened.
But none of the singles were rewritten or designed to be huge hits. They were all too unique sounding to actually end up being the single that sells the record.
Screwtape, I have an honest question for you. When did you get into U2? What year? What era?
1997 or 1998. It would have been during 4th or 5th grade. I got The Best of 1980-1990 and really liked The Unforgettable Fire. Then I got The Joshua Tree. Rented Rattle & Hum. Listened to the soundtrack at my aunts. I wasn't aware of Popmart at the time.
So you didn't get into them by listening to Pop or watching any videos on MTV or listening to the current hits at the time on the radio?
Yeah pretty much. I think the first new single I ever heard was Beautiful Day. That being two years after getting into them.