Zoomerang96 said:
~bored of canada
Is that a pun? Or a Freudian slip?
Zoomerang96 said:
~bored of canada
ahittle said:
Is that a pun? Or a Freudian slip?
ahittle said:
And even though payola is supposedly illegal, a lot of what happens under the name "promotion" is pretty slimy stuff. The last band I was in achieved a moderate amount of success, and I can tell you that even getting radio play on various college stations involves some ridiculous acrobatics and boatloads of cash.
And even as an ex-record store employee, I can attest to enjoying plenty of comps and parties and whatnot all with the intention of pushing a given artist or even hanging a measly poster. It's a gross, gross world, this music business.
Axver said:Hey, McGuinness? Don't fight the tide. Work with it.
The fact he thinks some "three strikes and you're out [of the Internet]" idea would actually work speaks volumes about how much he simply does not get it.
BonoVoxSupastar said:
Apparently yes, the technology is there. It's not perfect, but it's at the beginning stages. It's very similar to iTunes technology of being able to read what song and artist an mp3 is, have you ever noticed bootleg mp3 comeout unknown.
Butterscotch said:
I know a guy in his 40's, a family friend, who has an awesome music museum in his own house. I was always impressed by how much he had since all that stuff was so expensive to collect and he never made much money. Recently, he revealed the truth. He was a pawn of payola.
In the 80's, he was working in a record store. He was honored to be called weekly by reps of various major labels. He felt so cool to have them remember him by name. They'd say things like "How's Sting's solo album doing this week?" and he'd say "it's not moving, we're not really selling any." The rep would say "look, we need Sting to be number one this week. If you give me the numbers I need, I will make it worth it to you." So he went along with it. He got loads of memorabilia, tour jackets, autographed guitars, exclusive albums, and even got backstage passes to some very huge name tours where he got his picture taken with the band and got his stuff autographed. All because he sold out the truth and joined payola.
He thought that he was a real 'industry insider' and that one day he'd have some big position with one of the labels. Nope. He was being used. The private record stores died out, he lost his job and had to go work in a warehouse. He still has all his stuff and won't sell a thing, though it's an ebay fortune and he could use the money, he says the stuff matters more to him than cash. He only recently admitted to his 'payola' involvement, he had been too ashamed to tell it for years, so it's not like he was lying or bragging. That's how it happened.
the tourist said:So, my idea about isp/record company mergers. I told my girlfriend about that idea--he response was that it would be highly unfair to all the people whose lives don't revolve around music. Which, I guess is true. *shrugs* There really is no surefire way of both sides coming together to meet at the middle.
BonoVoxSupastar said:Apparently yes, the technology is there. It's not perfect, but it's at the beginning stages. It's very similar to iTunes technology of being able to read what song and artist an mp3 is, have you ever noticed bootleg mp3 comeout unknown.
BonoVoxSupastar said:
Who said anything about players only being able to play certain mp3's? I was talking about technology being used to filter ISPs to see what copyrighted material is being uploaded illegally.
onebloodonelife said:
That's a completely different technology than determining or filtering what exactly is being uploaded, whether it is illegal or not. Right now, ISPs can see that someone is uploading or downloading large amounts of data, but not what that data is. Hypothetically, someone could be uploading or downloading a Linux operating system, which is allowed to be freely distributed, and the internet company would be able to see the data, but not what it is.
That's why McGuinness' idea of taking away internet from serial uploaders or downloaders wouldn't work, at least not at this stage, the technology just isn't there.
Snowlock said:
And how are you going to figure out by that technology what's legal and illegal? My examples are saying anything can and has been hacked to date. The ISP filters will be too, or filterered MP3 players... In a matter of hours probably.
Zoomerang96 said:youtube is a form of piracy too, in a lot of ways.
i hope you don't watch that on-demand stuff. unless the record company posted it, then it's ok.
otherwise it's pretty much illegal, guys.
BonoVoxSupastar said:Where did you get such a crazy theory? I would say the majority of downloaders, do not pay a cent for music, if they like it or not...
Pinball Wizard said:
You would say that, but... do you have any numbers to support your "theory"? I think you're right, but what's the point of denouncing other folks' opinions when we are speculating on almost immeasurable statistics?
One thing they all need to realize is that most of the time people only download shit they wouldn't have bought anyway.
ClaytonsKitten said:Paul, STFU. Please. Before you ruin the ONLY management job you've ever had. U2 made you rich, but they can just as easily remove you from the equation.
Anyone remember Lars from Metallica being a greedy wanker a few years back? Metallica hasnt been the same since. Do all of you want U2 to end up that way? Because of Paul and his big mouth?
Paul is behind the times, and has been for some time. I think it's high time U2 turned the reins of their business over to people who aren't afraid of technology and the changes the music business is facing. Hell, the band can practically manage itself with the clout they have.
This is just as horrid as Paul's idea that U2 should only release material in the 4th quarter. They could be preparing a lead single NOW, hot on the heels of their film, and releasing an album in the summer...but noooo, big bad greedy Paul doesn't want that.
*shakes head*
the tourist said:I agree that the artists need to get paid. What I find horrible, though, is that out of every $10 disc sold, the artist only gets 14%. The companies really need this to happen to them for being so greedy. The companies are what need to go away.
indra said:
Very true, and yet loads of people still don't want to pay it.
I love the people who whine "they are attacking their best customers!" Bullshit. When someone is stealing your product he/she is not a customer.
vociti said:Plus, those of you that call record labels and artist greedy. The downloaders who download illegal music are greedy too.