Well then I am certainly no bigot.
AEON said:I see several posts that advocate a secure border, however, I would imagine these same folks are against a fence, more Border Patrol agents, or a National Guard presence along the border. They would also probably consider it racist to do such things (because if you don't agree with the Left - you are automatically a racist, bigot, or homophobe).
Saying you want a secure border is one thing. Actually doing something to secure it is another.
maycocksean said:HOW do we secure the border?
AEON said:What about simply stopping them from being here at all?
phillyfan26 said:
It's simple, remember?
AEON said:
It is simple. We need a fence, more Border Patrol, and the National Guard.
Irvine511 said:
considering our National Guard units are building fences in Iraq and Afghanistan, where do you propose we get people to build it?
i hear Mexicans work real cheap
On this we agree 100%.AEON said:I'm sure there are quite a few National Guardsman who wouldn't mind be stationed stateside for a year.
U2DMfan said:Is your entire foundation of ideas based on assumptions and generalizations about those who might oppose your ideas?
Yup.Bluer White said:The thing that bothers me, and why I don't engage in more debates here in FYM, is that virtually everyone has agreed that illegal immigration is an issue. Only one has come out in favor of it. So we have some common ground, right? Nope. Just the regular shell game, between the same cast of characters, and it sucks.
In tandem with streamlining the citizenship application process, I can agree with all of this.Now that I've vented , here are my ideas:
1. The best barrier, an invisible one, is to seriously crack down on American companies employing undocumented workers. Meaningful fines, penalties, whatever. I think the idea of no jobs would discourage illegals from crossing.
2. Temporary worker permits.
3. More border patrol agents in the field.
4. Increase electronic surveillance to allow agents to do their job more efficiently.
5. Walls should not be ruled out. Placed in strategic locations I believe it would help agents narrow the vast territory they must monitor. But a wall all the way from Texas to SoCal is ridiculous and ineffective.
Long term, the Mexican economy needs to get itself in gear. And the government quit looking the other way as their people flood across the border, and wire their paychecks from the states back home. That's for another post though, and it's a decades long project.
Finally, for the illegals already here, I don't see any option other than a plan you might as well call "amnesty." Bush didn't call his failed proposal amnesty, and no serious politician will. But they need to come up with a fancy name for it, and get it done. And it will amount to amnesty.
yolland said:
In tandem with streamlining the citizenship application process, I can agree with all of this.
BonosSaint said:No problem with any of that. Practical, maybe doable.
AEON said:
I'm basically in agreement with these - with the understanding the border is closed first. To me, that is a necessary first step.
Now - why can't we get Congress and President to actually do these things?
BonoVoxSupastar said:
Do you realize the effects of building a wall? as you propose...
You wouldn't be employing labour that wasn't legally here (of course) and in terms of building structures for defending the territorial and ethnic integrity of a nation if it could be done by various dynasties in China why not in the USA?BonoVoxSupastar said:Care to clarify?
A_Wanderer said:Why would you need to close the border if there are no longer any reasons to go to, or stay in America?
AEON said:
I'm basically in agreement with these - with the understanding the border is closed first. To me, that is a necessary first step.
Now - why can't we get Congress and President to actually do these things?
martha said:
The environmental consequences alone...
Vincent Vega said:
I can agree with Bluer White's proposal very much, though I'm uncomfortable with any wall or fence between two countries.