toscano
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mediocre then, mediocre now
I will never understand how any U2 fan could love "I Will Follow" or "Until the End of the World" and then hate "All Because Of You", one of their most musically and spiritually uplifting songs.QUOTE]
Maybe because in those songs Bono never said anything fucking stupid like "intellectual tortoise".
I will never understand how any U2 fan could love "I Will Follow" or "Until the End of the World" and then hate "All Because Of You", one of their most musically and spiritually uplifting songs.QUOTE]
Maybe because in those songs Bono never said anything fucking stupid like "intellectual tortoise".
Yeah, but for the love of God have you not seen Bono in the IWF video??
Swing those lil hips!
But seriously folks, Bono has ALWAYS written/performed stuff that makes certain people cringe. We just remember waaaaaay less of what happened back in the day. Once enough time has passed, albums and tours stop being criticized and scrutinized to death. We're just not thinking about them as much as what's going on now; it doesn't mean they were so perfect.
Yeah, but for the love of God have you not seen Bono in the IWF video??
Swing those lil hips!
But seriously folks, Bono has ALWAYS written/performed stuff that makes certain people cringe. We just remember waaaaaay less of what happened back in the day. Once enough time has passed, albums and tours stop being criticized and scrutinized to death. We're just not thinking about them as much as what's going on now; it doesn't mean they were so perfect.
Alright fair enough. I guess I just don't see that phrase as really a big deal. First, I don't actually find it cheesy. Second, even it is, who cares? It's not like the song is some sort of ballad. It's fun and frollicks. Let's all just lighten up, shall we?
I don't get why it was brilliant wen U2 dressed up serious topics with irony in the 90s and at the same time it's dreadful that they dress up serious topics with an element of fun in the 00s
I don't think the lyrics of All because of you are the best they've ever done, by far, but there's still some meaning there and they mostly sound ok
the somewhat generic music hurts the song more IMO
(it has grown on me quite a bit though)
For some reason, in the 2000's, fun in U2's music has been equated with cringe-inducing embarrassing lyrics set to halfassed music. What's so fun about this? I'd have a lot more fun listening to Sunday Bloody Sunday. I think I'll go do that now.
But one question: are you telling me that listening to ABOY is more fun than listening to Achtung Baby because it's less serious?
I think that all Salome was saying (and correct me if I'm wrong!) was that there's kind of a double standard around when talking about less-serious (or seemingly so) moments for U2 through the years. Maybe because they had a "cooler" image (which was carefully and deliberately crafted), they could get away with more. I don't know, it just seems like we can't take a joke these days.
In my posts though, I wasn't really arguing for or against the phrase. I was arguing more along the lines of, hey it's not reeeeeally that big of a deal is it? I mean even if you truly abhor it, it's only 2 words out of the whole song right?
Intellectual tortoise is self irony. I don't get why people hate that phrase so much.
I don't think the lyrics are that much worse
there have been cringe worthy moments throughout their career
the worst of them IMO on POP which coincidentally I also think is one of their stronger albums lyrically
I think All because of you adresses a topic that has been used by U2 throughout their entire career, but they tried to use a different angle and make it all a bit more joyous
I don't think they necessarely succeeded at this completely
and I also admit the lyrics aren't their best
what I'm saying is that the lyrics are not as insane and bad as you make them out to be
Just throwing this into the mix: I think AMAAW is the best track on there, or at least the most interesting to me. Regarding this debate over "intellectual tortoise," certainly that is deliberate. There is actually an extended metaphor of turtles in the song... "people get squashed crossing the tracks, some people got high rises on their backs" certainly evoke turtles, non?
Also, I would like to shout out to whoever mentioned the "I'm alive! I'm being born. I just arrived..." section of ABOY. Quite kicking!