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Klaus said:senrab / headache:
I guess we're not "just" takling about G.W. Bush and exclude his past?
But still:
Human rights violations like these?
This is better treatment than a bullet between the eyes.
Klaus said:senrab / headache:
I guess we're not "just" takling about G.W. Bush and exclude his past?
But still:
Human rights violations like these?
Bono's American Wife said:
This is better treatment than a bullet between the eyes.
senrab said:As far as the treatment of Afghan and Iraqi soldiers, boo-hoo. They fought and are fighting for oppressive regimes that have no regard WHATSOEVER for human life.
FizzingWhizzbees said:
Firstly, let's not forget that before the war began we heard a lot about soldiers being conscripted, both in Afghanistan and Iraq. If the soldiers were conscripts then it's not really fair to blame them for the crimes of their regime as they may be fighting for them only because if they refused to fight they would be killed by the Taliban in Afghanistan or Saddam in Iraq.
Also, I can't understand how anyone can dismiss horrible violations of human rights with just "boo-hoo" (I'm not only talking about you, senrab, I know lots of others made similar comments in this thread or in others). Surely if you are against Saddam or the Taliban because they violated their citizens' human rights, then you have to also be against violations of human rights committed by US and UK soldiers. Surely if you are angry when you see US soldiers treated badly by the Iraqis, you also have to be angry when the US treats prisoners badly in Guantanamo Bay? Nobody should be treated badly because of their nationality: if you believe human rights are good enough for US troops then they are good enough for Iraqi troops and they are good enough for Afghan troops.
Please, don't just dehumanise the prisoners in Guantanamo Bay, don't dismiss them because they fought willingly or unwillingly for the Taliban, don't act as though it doesn't matter when they're treated badly. They are people too, try to remember that. Try to remember that they may have family in Afghanistan who don't know where they are or what's happened to them. Try to imagine how families in the US might feel if their son or daughter or mother or father disappeared and they didn't know where they had been taken to. Please remember that soldiers from Afghanistan are just the same as soldiers from the US: they have families and loved ones back home and they don't ever deserve to be treated badly just because of their nationality or crimes they allegedly committed.
FizzingWhizzbees said:
Firstly, let's not forget that before the war began we heard a lot about soldiers being conscripted, both in Afghanistan and Iraq. If the soldiers were conscripts then it's not really fair to blame them for the crimes of their regime as they may be fighting for them only because if they refused to fight they would be killed by the Taliban in Afghanistan or Saddam in Iraq.
Also, I can't understand how anyone can dismiss horrible violations of human rights with just "boo-hoo" (I'm not only talking about you, senrab, I know lots of others made similar comments in this thread or in others). Surely if you are against Saddam or the Taliban because they violated their citizens' human rights, then you have to also be against violations of human rights committed by US and UK soldiers. Surely if you are angry when you see US soldiers treated badly by the Iraqis, you also have to be angry when the US treats prisoners badly in Guantanamo Bay? Nobody should be treated badly because of their nationality: if you believe human rights are good enough for US troops then they are good enough for Iraqi troops and they are good enough for Afghan troops.
A prisoner of war is a combatant, generally a member of the armed forces of a party to an international armed conflict or an individual enjoying equivalent legal status, who has fallen into the hands of an adverse party.
Individuals enjoying equivalent status include war correspondents, supply contractors, merchant marine and civil aircraft crews, and civilians who spontaneously take up arms to resist invading forces (Art. 4, Third Geneva Convention of 1949). In case of doubt, any person who takes part in hostilities is presumed to be a prisoner of war (Art. 45.1, Additional Protocol I of 1977).
Mat 25:40 - 46
And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me. Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did [it] not to one of the least of these, ye did [it] not to me.
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
JOFO said:personally, I'm offended that pearl jam has one good song on riot act: "thumbing my way"; which is excellent.
Gickies Gageeze said:and may bush's term of phycoticness be over in a year and a half.
in 2004, vote nader. or something. just please, get rid of this madman.
JOFO said:
everything else is meandering, semi-punk/semi-metal riffs that are as boring as watching turds float.