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ZooMacPhisto800 said:
Please, tolerance.
Where was I not being tolerant? Please show me...
ZooMacPhisto800 said:
Please, tolerance.
BonoVoxSupastar said:
That's not why you got "jumped" all over...
Ok, I'll take this thread serious for one second and show you why this thread doesn't make sense.
You say:
"Limitless vocals from Bono" Bono's never had limitless vocals, not many rock singers do. In fact his voice today is probably a lot stronger in some aspects. His voice is different than it was in the 80's some for better some for worse. How does this change structure? It doesn't. You made this assumption that it was a given that Bono's voice somehow is much more limited than it was in the past, yet you never once try and provide anything that remotely backs this up...
I tried to show you how this thread doesn't make sense by showing you that every band is limited to their members abilities.
By begging me to stay out of the discussion after posting this, lead me to believe you really didn't want a discussion but to just get a rise out of people.
BonoVoxSupastar said:
That's not why you got "jumped" all over...
Ok, I'll take this thread serious for one second and show you why this thread doesn't make sense.
You say:
"Limitless vocals from Bono" Bono's never had limitless vocals, not many rock singers do. In fact his voice today is probably a lot stronger in some aspects. His voice is different than it was in the 80's some for better some for worse. How does this change structure? It doesn't. You made this assumption that it was a given that Bono's voice somehow is much more limited than it was in the past, yet you never once try and provide anything that remotely backs this up...
I tried to show you how this thread doesn't make sense by showing you that every band is limited to their members abilities.
By begging me to stay out of the discussion after posting this, lead me to believe you really didn't want a discussion but to just get a rise out of people.
gherman said:
Ok fair enough. So you feel that Bono's is stronger today by some aspects but I think its much weaker by most. I see Bono's voice as an instrument. When the tone of one instrument changes then it changes the whole sound of the band. Sometimes other memebers of the band then alter the way they play or the key they play in or the chords they play to make the band sound "right." I really think that the changes in Bono's voice recently has influnced the kind of music that U2 makes. I know there are other variables but Bono can't reach the high notes he used to, they need to consider a lot more the songs that they play live because of Bono either losing his voice or not hitting certain notes he USED to be able to, or being able to last through as many shows they play on tour. Yes Bono's voice has limits, we all do, but I really think that Bono's ranges are a lot different now and certain variables must compensate for that.
Do you see at all where I'm trying to go with this? Am I getting this across a little better now?
Let me know.
BonoVoxSupastar said:
If you would have started the thread this way, it would have been much much better. Peterrr would have come in and showed you all the places where he can hit the high notes and everything would be like normal.
ZooMacPhisto800 said:
See, even this post is pretentious. You sound convinced that your post is bulletproof and that the thread should, therefore, be ended (because, what else is there to say?). In fact, you took the original post literally and missed its meaning.
ZooMacPhisto800 said:
Yes, the band is technically limited by Bono's voice. Is it to the point, however, that the band suffers as a result? Is it that significant?
gherman said:
I guess I need to think of the the thread more before I start it. I just may not be good at getting whats flying around in my fat head and putting down through the key board. But do you see where I'm comming from?
BonoVoxSupastar said:
I said nothing about ending a thread.
Well that was pretty much my whole point. Go back and read the first entry, "Does U2 create songs now that that only can go as far as the vocal range?" Well of course they do, every band in the world does this, you would be stupid to write songs your lead singer couldn't sing. The whole thing was based on this huge assumption(he believed everyone thought Bono's range has somehow lessened), and one that technically isn't correct, especially in the studio.
It has nothing to do with tolerance.
BonoVoxSupastar said:
Basically you think Bono has lost his range. And most vocal teachers would say, no, at least not significantly.
Now he may not be able to sing night after the night the same like he used to, but that really doesn't change anything studio wise.
BonoVoxSupastar said:
That's not why you got "jumped" all over...
Ok, I'll take this thread serious for one second and show you why this thread doesn't make sense.
You say:
"Limitless vocals from Bono" Bono's never had limitless vocals, not many rock singers do. In fact his voice today is probably a lot stronger in some aspects. His voice is different than it was in the 80's some for better some for worse. How does this change structure? It doesn't. You made this assumption that it was a given that Bono's voice somehow is much more limited than it was in the past, yet you never once try and provide anything that remotely backs this up...
I tried to show you how this thread doesn't make sense by showing you that every band is limited to their members abilities.
By begging me to stay out of the discussion after posting this, lead me to believe you really didn't want a discussion but to just get a rise out of people.
gherman said:
Cool. I'll take that. We disagree on the subject but I respect your opinion.
Just my opinion but I think BOTH of us could work on how we post/start threads.
ZooMacPhisto800 said:
Beyond the obvious technical limitation... can it be overcome, via whatever adjustments, can it be compensated for, or do we lose some U2* as a result?
* And not a token piece, do we really lose out?
BonoVoxSupastar said:
There's natural ability and there's long term care.
Natual abiltity you can do very little about...
Long term care you can do a lot with, and Bono has seemed to do quite a bit recently to change some of the strength he lost in the late 90's and Elevation tour. The Vertigo tour was the best he's sounded in awhile, though not consistant throughout the tour much stronger than Pop and Elevation, and his last performance at the church was pretty damn good.
To answer the original post, no it won't drastically change the songwriting.
david said:No, they don't suffer from Bono's vocals.
It forces them and has forced them to try new things in the past 8 years instead of falling back on the booming anthemic soarings songs that U2 were known for in the 80's.
david said:No, they don't suffer from Bono's vocals.
It forces them and has forced them to try new things in the past 8 years instead of falling back on the booming anthemic soarings songs that U2 were known for in the 80's.
shaun vox said:look at steven tyler (he is 80 something right) and still sounds like he is 20 something, and that guy has done drugs, smoked and what not. he probably worked on his voice or something.
lucky bastard.
shaun vox said:"he hits notes just as well as he did back in the 1985"
are we listening to the same band?? listen to WOWY (live) bono can not sing that song ! i love u2 but to say bono still has his voice is just insane. his voice has improved since the elevation tour. but is no-where near the quality he had back then during JT and achtung.both studio and especially live (those are my fave u2 times) Duh
An Cat Gav said:People always use the Pride in the name of love single as the great example of Bono's voice at it's peak. to be fair, he never got it to sound anywhere near as good at that vocal throughout his career. From a personal point of view, i think his voice was at it's peak around Lovetown, but hasn't gone downhill to a terrible degree . It is highly unfair to compare Bono's vocals to Larry's drumming, which has been uniformly unimaginative and crappy since War.