melon said:Gays are already in church leadership roles. The question is whether they're honest about it or not.
Melon
BonoVoxSupastar said:True and I always enjoy the hypocracy of when someone has served for 10 years and everyone loves them, but as soon as they say those three words everyone's opinion changes.
icelle said:
no, i dont believe gays should hold leadership roles in church.
melon said:And after reading this, my blood is boiling. So, come Easter, when my parents visit in Boston, I hope they don't mind when I tell them that I refuse to ever step into another Catholic "church" ever again.
melon said:And after reading this, my blood is boiling.
icelle said:its a contradiction to what's preached in the bible.
Moonlit_Angel said:
But we all do things that go against the Bible, right? So, if that's the case, then really, nobody should have a leadership role in the church, be they gay or straight.
Angela
I always thought that god will judge if someone is not living acourding the Bible but there are lot of people around who want to take this burden of God`s shoulders.bonosgirl84 said:
well, yes. we all do things that go against the bible, and the bible teaches that all sins can be forgiven if we repent. can't really compare being gay to that set of rules, can ya?
and anyway, i think icelle's point is that a gay preacher would be deliberately and willingly living a life that the bible says is sinful, which would be a direct contadiction to it's teachings.
icelle said:its a contradiction to what's preached in the bible.
bonosgirl84 said:
well, yes. we all do things that go against the bible, and the bible teaches that all sins can be forgiven if we repent. can't really compare being gay to that set of rules, can ya?
and anyway, i think icelle's point is that a gay preacher would be deliberately and willingly living a life that the bible says is sinful, which would be a direct contadiction to it's teachings.
melon said:"I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting. In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety." -- 1 Timothy 2:8-15
Melon
bonosgirl84 said:well, yes. we all do things that go against the bible, and the bible teaches that all sins can be forgiven if we repent. can't really compare being gay to that set of rules, can ya?
Originally posted by bonosgirl84
and anyway, i think icelle's point is that a gay preacher would be deliberately and willingly living a life that the bible says is sinful, which would be a direct contadiction to it's teachings.
melon said:"I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting. In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety." -- 1 Timothy 2:8-15
Melon
icelle said:
its a contradiction to what's preached in the bible.
icelle said:no there isnt. in general, what's being taught in the bible is that homosexuality is a sin.
FizzingWhizzbees said:Ignoring the fact that I don't actually agree with that...
The Bible says lying is a sin. Do you believe all who have ever lied should be excluded from leadership roles in a church?
Or are you judging homosexuality to somehow be a "worse" sin than lying and therefore an acceptable reason to exclude a person from a leadership role in a church? If so, what is your basis for judging one sin to be worse than another?
FizzingWhizzbees said:
Ignoring the fact that I don't actually agree with that...
The Bible says lying is a sin. Do you believe all who have ever lied should be excluded from leadership roles in a church?
Or are you judging homosexuality to somehow be a "worse" sin than lying and therefore an acceptable reason to exclude a person from a leadership role in a church? If so, what is your basis for judging one sin to be worse than another?
FizzingWhizzbees said:Actually I do have one quick question to those of you who have said you think the Bible condemns homosexuality. How many of you would take a literal interpretation of the quote melon posted -- ie would say women should never be allowed to teach or have authority over men? And if you don't interpret that literally can you explain how you know what to interpret literally and what to interpret differently?
nbcrusader said:I'll trust this is an honest spiritual question. My wife and I both struggle with the scope and meaning of the passage. And I have discussed before how a former friend of ours used this passage to tell my wife that she should not teach at all (she gives weekly lectures to women and continues to do so).
From my experiences, I have respect for those who struggle with this passage honestly, taking a high view of God and His Word. If we can dismiss this passage as completely unapplicable, what is to stop us from dismissing any other passage?