I can not fully consider Until The End Of The World as a U2 song. It's merely a Revelations rewrite.
And to be fair, just about every artist out there has had at least some of their work inspired by something before that. Another song, artist, certain sound, whatever.
Led Zeppelin rearranged many traditional blues songs (and didn't credit the original authors but that's a topic for a B&C thread).
The Beatles played almost nothing but covers before Please Please Me (which itself was John Lennon trying to write a Roy Orbison song), and the rest of their early material is mostly a pastiche of 50s R&B and early Rock n Roll (Chuck Berry, Fats Domino, Buddy Holly) with a more driving beat and an extremely charismatic stage persona to go along with it.
Bob Dylan has already been mentioned. Pretty much the entire folk scene in the 60s was various artists all playing the same basic set of songs with some minor variations. Dylan was different because he actually went out of his way to write new lyrics and arrangements on those songs and not simply perform them as they already existed. He still does this today, every time he plays a show he will change up the songs so that they aren't played the same way twice. Often he will start playing a song that is completely unrecognizable to anybody including fans that have been to dozens of shows over the course of 50+ years until people realize that the lyrics are actually Like A Rolling Stone. Can you imagine the reaction if U2 tried to do this and played Streets with completely different music and melodies from show to show?
A Canadian band called Great Big Sea became very famous in the 90s here simply by rewriting and rearranging traditional Newfoundland sea shanties in a more modern style, and throwing one or two originals (in the exact same style) on every album.
This has been going on forever. Composers in the 1700/1800s made entire careers off of rewriting hymns and other older works. So to say that WAS doesn't count as a "real" U2 song (whatever that is) is kinda silly, and ignoring an enormous chunk of music history.
So that's why he just made an entire post explaining why it is ignorant to say WAs doesn't count as a 'real' U2 song. He never said you said it was a bad song or anything about the arrangement.
Yep, I´ve read it all, but I cannot agree, because one thing is to use for example lyrics or one hook or a sample from a song and different thing is to use whole structure and melody of a song.
He did not mention using just lyrics or one hook or a sample... he mentions entire structures and melodies of songs. This has been happening since forever. There is no logical reason to not consider these songs actual songs performed by the artist whom performed them.
Ok, so if I exaggerat a bit, then in your world everytime U2 cover band plays a U2 song, they basically create something original and they can be considered as the authors of that song, right? If no, so when is the limit for you, when it is a cover and when it is an original song?
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A Canadian band called Great Big Sea became very famous in the 90s here simply by rewriting and rearranging traditional Newfoundland sea shanties in a more modern style, and throwing one or two originals (in the exact same style) on every album.
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Ok, so if I exaggerat a bit, then in your world everytime U2 cover band plays a U2 song, they basically create something original and they can be considered as the authors of that song, right? If no, so when is the limit for you, when it is a cover and when it is an original song?
Now you're just being obtuse.
I didn't think my post was all that difficult to understand.
Ok, so if I exaggerat a bit, then in your world everytime U2 cover band plays a U2 song, they basically create something original and they can be considered as the authors of that song, right? If no, so when is the limit for you, when it is a cover and when it is an original song?
Which reminds me of what Ashley McIsaac did on how 90's album. He did many traditional songs in an alternative band style with the fiddle at the front.. Sleepy Maggie being a prominent one, featuring a women singing in Gaelic (if I remember correctly). When I think of it, I think it's an Ashley McIsaac song, and when I'm in an Irish pub and I hear a more traditional rendition of Sleepy Maggie or Drowsy Maggie, I thing it's a nice traditional song.
When I hear White As Snow, as arranged, produced and performed by U2, I think it's a U2 song. When I hear Veni, Veni, Emmanuel, I think that's a nice traditional song.
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No when a U2 tribute band covers Ultraviolet, they are playing a U2 song. If they decided to use the introduction to The Fly and write different lyrics and a similar but not identical melody, it would be an original song with elements inspired by The Fly.
Quite simply, White As Snow is legally and universally recognised as a U2 song. Until this is contested and upheld in a lawsuit (which will be never) it will always be a U2 song.
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It´s funny too see the moment when a song breaks the line of being considered as a traditional...
Some people would even argue that Knock On Heaven´s Door is a GNR song or All Alomg the Watchtower is Jimmy Hendrix
Ok, so if I exaggerat a bit, then in your world everytime U2 cover band plays a U2 song, they basically create something original and they can be considered as the authors of that song, right? If no, so when is the limit for you, when it is a cover and when it is an original song?
I respect your opinion, even if I have different one, no reason going down to insults.