2012 AFL Thread V - Planning Our End of Season Trip

[Axver]

Wow, Jetta kicked the ball out on the full by a bloody mile and the umpires gave it as a behind!

 

[LemonMelon]

Looks like I made a wise tip. The consensus was Collingwood by a mile lol tips are such a popularity contest sometimes.

 

[Axver]

Ugh I very nearly tipped Sydney but in the end erred on the side of Collingwood by three points. Daft decision; should've gone with my instinct. Still, I always prefer to be wrong when I tip Collingwood. Can't believe they haven't even scored thirty points at three quarter time.

 

[cobl04]

Haven't seen the footage, but Twitter has blown up. Looks like Goodes was racially abused... in fucking indigenous round.

He would have been so up and about, legend, played a great game, indigenous round, and then that happens.

Fucking low life motherfucking cunts.

 

[Axver]

He was by the sidelines when he evidently heard something, immediately - and emphatically - pointed out somebody to the stewards, and she was escorted out. That's all we've got to go on right now but it's hard not to leap straight to the racial abuse conclusion.

 

[bono_man2002]

Terrible. No fucking disgraceful.

It must have been something racist...otherwise why escort her out?

 

[cobl04]

Jude Bolton just confirmed it was on Triple M. Young teenage girl.

I think with someone that young, education is the key, not piling on abuse, horrible as it is.

And let's reiterate that the vast, vast majority of Collingwood supporters are good people.

 

[bono_man2002]

But we keep finding reasons to hate us!

Eddie was class in that interview.

 

[cobl04]

Didn't see it, listening to MMM. He's very good.

I've already seen some horrible comments aimed at the girl on social media. Whatever she said was obviously bad, but she is a minor. Education is key. Imagine if it becomes a life-changing moment for her? That's a hell of a lot better outcome than being abused by thousands.

 

[The Sad Punk]

Rather than be dismayed by what this dumb slag said (especially during this round), let us instead be happy that this is now the exception and that the entire league stands behind Goodes against such harrassment. There is still certainly a long way to go, but at least within the league we've come a long way.

I'm very disappointed that, as of late, it seems like just about every week there seems to be a racist taunt directed at a player, though.

 

[Axver]

Yeah, at such a young age you have to assume she's picked up those sorts of attitudes from her parents.

Can I throw a bizarre idea out there? I was just tossing this over and I was wondering what you guys make of it. Is part of the reason why we keep having incidents of racial abuse week in, week out due to the lack of representative footy? Hear me out. Instances of racial abuse in Kiwi sport aren't anywhere near as frequent as they are in footy, even though the participation of Maori and Pasifika people is far more common. We obviously have vehement rivalries between teams; Wellington versus Auckland is our Collingwood versus Carlton. Yet a Wellington star is probably going to play for the All Blacks; somebody who is an Aucklander's worst enemy on the provincial level one week will be their national hero the next. Even an Auckland fan inclined to racism wouldn't taunt Tana Umaga playing for Wellington because he was also the All Blacks captain and a national god. By contrast, a Carlton player is not going to become a Collingwood fan's hero representing Victoria or Australia any time soon (unless International Rules suddenly gains a shitload more significance). One-eyed AFL fans have no reason to think beyond their club. You've got no reason to think an opposition player is anything other than your sworn enemy, so people inclined to racist taunts are going to go there a lot sooner than if that person could also be a star representing them at state/national level.

I honestly think there might be at least a modicum of something in this, though I don't know if the NRL also has a problem with racism and that would probably disprove it. What do you guys reckon? This isn't a disguised "bring back State of Origin" argument, because that certainly wouldn't solve racist taunts, but this entrenched aspect of national loyalty superseding provincial loyalty in New Zealand might explain why there is less trouble with racial abuse than there is in Australia where loyalties in AFL do not extend beyond the club level.

 

[cobl04]

There's some merit to that, in that if we did have it and fans were passionate, you might be less inclined to abuse Goodes if you were a Pies supporter because he plays for the Big V.

I don't know about the NRL's history with racism, I imagine it might be okay considering there's even more multiculturalism than the AFL, but it's fucking miles behind the AFL on issues like sexism and drugs in sport.

 

[Axver]

Yeah, I've certainly got the perception that sexism is the bigger problem in the NRL. That's not to say it's not an issue in the AFL because it obviously is, but the NRL's got a particularly long way to go on that front.

More details on the Goodes incident: Goodes 'gutted' after racial slur

Got to hand it to Eddie McGuire for handling this really well.

 

[intedomine]

Some of the stuff I've seen on social media directed at this 14 year old girl is disgraceful. She should be quietly disciplined, maybe educated in human decency and community service - not lambasted by idiots calling for her to be hanged. Some of these idiots probably have uttered some of their own racist remarks in their time.

 

[Vlad n U 2]

Rather than be dismayed by what this dumb slag said (especially during this round), let us instead be happy that this is now the exception and that the entire league stands behind Goodes against such harrassment. There is still certainly a long way to go, but at least within the league we've come a long way.

I'm very disappointed that, as of late, it seems like just about every week there seems to be a racist taunt directed at a player, though.

Say you want about the act but calling her a 'slag' is a bit much I think.

 

[intedomine]

What is a "slag" anyway? I've always assumed it to be one of those meaningless insults like dickhead or arsehole

 

[Vlad n U 2]

It's a by-product of smelting ore, or a term used to describe women involved in promiscuous behaviour. So it's essentially like calling someone a 'slut.'

I just felt using that particular term was going overboard, asshole/idiot is fine however.

 

[Alisaura]

Is hurling abuse an integral part of sport? Especially among spectators? Is it just part of human nature, and all we can hope for is to discourage people from hurling particularly nasty forms of abuse (eg, racial slurs)? I'm quite sure that some spectators have been racially abusing players ever since the first non-anglo player joined a team, and the only difference now is that the media is reporting it and the authorities are rightly condemning it. I certainly hope it's happening less now than it would have in the past, but if some people feel a need, or a right, to shout and curse at people on the field, be they players or umpires or whoever, then this is going to keep happening, because abusive spectators will latch on to any trait they can think of to insult.

(I was at a Hawks/Pies game many years ago, and a middle-aged male Hawthorn supporter behind me kept shouting at Nathan Buckley whenever he was in the area, "You've got a fat arse, Buckley!!" I was that close to turning around and telling him to STFU, but I learned early on that telling abusive spectators to shut up will only earn me some of the abuse. It's things like that which put me off going to more games. Is it acceptable to abuse a player's physique? Their hairstyle, choice of facial hair, tattoos? Where do you draw the line, if there even should be a line?)

 

[intedomine]

I'll probably be hurling abuse at Hird tonight - attacking his coaching career and his three-peat of April premierships. Fuck, I hope we win.

 

[Axver]

Of all of Buckley's unattractive features, why would you focus on his arse anyway?

 

[cobl04]

Is hurling abuse an integral part of sport? Especially among spectators? Is it just part of human nature, and all we can hope for is to discourage people from hurling particularly nasty forms of abuse (eg, racial slurs)? I'm quite sure that some spectators have been racially abusing players ever since the first non-anglo player joined a team, and the only difference now is that the media is reporting it and the authorities are rightly condemning it. I certainly hope it's happening less now than it would have in the past, but if some people feel a need, or a right, to shout and curse at people on the field, be they players or umpires or whoever, then this is going to keep happening, because abusive spectators will latch on to any trait they can think of to insult.

(I was at a Hawks/Pies game many years ago, and a middle-aged male Hawthorn supporter behind me kept shouting at Nathan Buckley whenever he was in the area, "You've got a fat arse, Buckley!!" I was that close to turning around and telling him to STFU, but I learned early on that telling abusive spectators to shut up will only earn me some of the abuse. It's things like that which put me off going to more games. Is it acceptable to abuse a player's physique? Their hairstyle, choice of facial hair, tattoos? Where do you draw the line, if there even should be a line?)

Hurling abuse will always be part of it. And racial abuse is still happening, but obviously not all of it gets reported. But hopefully people will be more mindful now.

Loving all the white people on social media telling Goodes to harden up because they don't think 'ape' is bad enough. Never mind, oh ADAM GOODES' REACTION, because white people think he should harden up.

 

[LemonMelon]

Memo to Blues:

Kick it between the middle posts for extra points!

Also, fuck me, St Kilda is a joke.

 

[LemonMelon]

Well that was the worst quarter ever.

Then again, there are two left, so things can still get worse.

 

[cobl04]

Good win by the Cattas today. Seems like Port have dropped off a cliff. Can't remember the media commentator who said Port wouldn't miss finals after getting to 5-0 but how stupid they look now. Four straight losses and in poor style too.

Bombers looking good in this second quarter. Hope the Tigers come back.

What do you guys make of this by Andrew Bolt - Goodes should not let one Collingwood teenager have this power

It's an article that won't make you choke on your own vomit. Pretty solid, actually. But I don't agree with this bit:

To have ignored it and hailed the night as a triumph of reconciliation might have achieved far more that’s good.

That sentence reads "we should just brush it under the carpet". Of course this round is about celebration, and that should be the focus, but brushing it under the carpet is silently accepting it. Hopefully through the girl's comments we'll be able to educate more people.

 

[cobl04]

I know the Aboriginal bloke playing acoustic guitar. His name is Russell. He's a speaker, musician and Vinnies Van volunteer.

 

[bono_man2002]

Go Lions! (Haven't said that since like 2000!)

 

[LemonMelon]

Fucking disgraceful. Brisbane has completely given up and we're up by 12. Is kicking practiced anymore?

(from 3 meters out) "OYY NO ONE CAN MISS FROM THERE!"

 

[LemonMelon]

"It's like the parting of the Red Sea! Biggest gap up the corridor you'll ever see"

Great job, rucks.

 

[cobl04]

The first Saturday night in forever I do nothing but sit on the couch and watch football and the Tigers are playing like shit, BT has a raging erection, Richo sounds disinterested and Darce is Darce.

McGuane just punched someone in the back of the head haha

 

[LemonMelon]

Wow Brisbane is trash too. Four straight behinds (1.6 for the quarter), and an embarrassing kick to a contest with 30 seconds to go when they really didn't need to give up a goal. They did. Two terrible sides here, they both deserve honorary wooden spoons.

Doesn't seem that Tigers/Bombers is any more watchable.