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What supposed miracles did he perform?
not sure, but I heard it happened on 34th street.
What supposed miracles did he perform?
What supposed miracles did he perform?
I think he did believe in "god" - but in more of Deist sort of way. There are more than a few Einstein "God" quotes out there...Einstein didn't believe in god
Einstein didn't believe in god
OK, it looks like Einstein is being falsely associated with that quote. He may not have said that at all, or was misquoted.
But even so, you don't have to believe in any supreme being to be amazed by the world around you.
I guess my point is, if John Paul is on his way to sainthood - I think it's safe to say we can agree that he didn't perform miracles - does that not cheapen the idea of sainthood? Does it not, as a believer, lead you to question the miracles supposedly performed by other saints? Doesn't it call a great deal of the lore of Christianity into question?
For most people, when they say they don't believe in God - they are rejecting the Biblical view of God, but do seem to be open some sort of higher being/entity/energy...etc. Currently, there are many in the transhumanist camp that think humans, or perhaps a runaway AI, will become God through technology.
I guess my point is, if John Paul is on his way to sainthood - I think it's safe to say we can agree that he didn't perform miracles - does that not cheapen the idea of sainthood? Does it not, as a believer, lead you to question the miracles supposedly performed by other saints? Doesn't it call a great deal of the lore of Christianity into question?
The word “saint” comes from the Greek word hagios, which means “consecrated to God, holy, sacred, pious." It is almost always used in the plural, “saints.” "…Lord, I have heard from many about this man, how much harm he did to Your saints at Jerusalem" (Acts 9:13). "Now as Peter was traveling through all those regions, he came down also to the saints who lived at Lydda" (Acts 9:32). "And this is just what I did in Jerusalem; not only did I lock up many of the saints in prisons …“ (Acts 26:10).
Saints intercede with God on your behalf. So it's kind of like, when you pray, you don't pray to a Saint, rather you ask them to intervene with God on your behalf due to their privileged position with God since they lived a saintly/blessed life, etc.
While it is true that some atheists and agnostics are really rejecting the Abrahamic God, I wouldn't say most do believe in something. That sounds like a stretch, and some skeptics will tell you they think the idea of any sort of God is absurd.
I think he did believe in "god" - but in more of Deist sort of way. There are more than a few Einstein "God" quotes out there...
So? Does that mean his quote has no value?
Or are you saying he never really said that and is falsely associated with that quote?
OK, it looks like Einstein is being falsely associated with that quote. He may not have said that at all, or was misquoted.
But even so, you don't have to believe in any supreme being to be amazed by the world around you.
Saints don't perform miracles. Nor do you pray to a Saint to perform a miracle. This is a big misconception among non-Catholics.
Saints intercede with God on your behalf. So it's kind of like, when you pray, you don't pray to a Saint, rather you ask them to intervene with God on your behalf due to their privileged position with God since they lived a saintly/blessed life, etc.
So there are no miracles that JPII performed himself - it would be miraculous events that are associated with people asking him for an intercession.
Does that make sense? (By which I mean my explanation, not the actual belief.)
Mother Teresa (who was actually a wretched woman).
But I'm not wrong in saying that the beatification process requires the fulfillment of two miracles, correct?
Yep, I think it's 2 for beatification and 3 for sainthood?
Well it's at least interesting that John XXIII gets something of a joint gong with JPII; I gather both are being put up at the same time. That one was rather longer in the making, it would seem. Personally, I'd read it as a nice political move as much as anything else, appealing to both 'liberals' and 'conservatives' (or befuddling both).
My personal view on sainthood is rather 'meh', and it would probably make most sense to see it as something of a post mortem knighthood of the church. Fair enough (depending on the candidate). The miracle business is an area where the church does descend into mumbo jumbo that I can't be bothered with. Not to say that unexplainable apparent miracles never, ever occur, or appear to occur... but the question of who interceded with whom... or what... is not one we can pretend to know the answer to.
I'd agree with JT on that front as well.But tell us how you really feel, JT.
That still makes her an asshole of biblical proportions
But still, I get that it must bum you out
“It hurts me when I see a priest or a nun with the latest model car; you can’t do this. A car is necessary to do a lot of work, but please, choose a more humble one. If you like the fancy one, just think about how many children are dying of hunger in the world.”