Too much claw, not enough body! - Complaints about the setlist

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Or the Avett Brothers, for fucks sake

 

[smitefull1]

in the end, i honestly think it's just laziness

it would just be way too much work to setup click tracks and taped sounds, and know them well enough to add the live music to them, i mean there are a shitload of songs that aren't playable without a bank of pre-timed, soundeffects backing them

and that's the thing about fucking up, if you fuck up a song and the song keeps playing behind you, it's a hundred times worse

see: crumbs

 

[jimyjazz]

Yeah, the 90s gigs were just new songs with former hits but the concepts and presentation behind the tours was a lot more interesting.

Also, at the time of ZOO/POPMART, the hits then were a lot younger and fresher. WOWY was 5-10 years old, now it's 22. Pride was 8-14. They were children, now they are adults. It's good to visit the parents once in a while, but not all the time.

And it would be really, really cool if U2 played more new songs, or spread them around a bit. Starting with 4, having one in the middle and ending with one makes it all seem a bit stale and "greatest hits".

 

[smitefull1]

i agree jazz,

i'm loving the start of these shows, it's a fresh kinda energy, the best i've seen in a long time

then the lights go down and the projector gets turned on, then it's single time, with a couple exceptions

 

[jimyjazz]

Did I miss it or choose to focus on something else? Unreal.

But, we can agree that they of course have SOME yes men, but we don't know what they're saying "yes" to because we're just not privy. You act like you know for a fact what they're thinking, what the make-up of an 80,000 person crowd is, etc. You don't, though, none of us do.

Well, I think that a fan of a band has a better conception of what the fanbase is like than a member of the band. And based on the setlists (and 00 and 04 records), U2 seem to think that their fanbase is pretty conservative in their tastes. Hence the absence of anything "challenging".

 

[zooropop40]

List of U2 songs that have been played in 360 setlists that are new, have not been played in a while, or rare:

Breathe
No Line on the horizon
Moment of Surrender
Magnificent
Crazy Tonight Remix
Crazy Tonight (normal)
Get on your boots
Unknown Caller
Unforgettable Fire
Ultraviolet
Electrical Storm
Party Girl
Stay
Bad

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Why are people complaining? Be glad they are playing for your entertainment in the first place!

 

[Salome]

U2 seem to think that their fanbase is pretty conservative in their tastes

they don't need to think
they feel the crowd's and their own reaction to what they play every single show

I know, it's not Youtube + reading setlists, but it must count for something

 

[zooropop40]

they don't need to think
they feel the crowd's and their own reaction to what they play every single show

I know, it's not Youtube + reading setlists, but it must count for something

Yes! U2 know better than us. They are at every show.

The crowd goes crazy for the classics!!!

If you are an entertainer... you give your audience what they want, and that is One, WOWY, Pride!

and seriously, at a U2 show I am just so awestruck I will sing along at the top of my lungs to any U2 song no matter how many times I have heard it. When you are there, it is different... the setlist doesnt matter- it is about the ENERGY, the crowd, the fun.

You guys worry too much about stupid things that in the longrun really dont matter. U2 is what matters, and they put on one hell of a show!

 

[jimyjazz]

An entertainer gives the audience what they want. An artist provokes them, gives them what they need. An entertainer has preconceived notions of what the audience wants and gives it to them. An artist gives them what they think is the best.

 

[BVS]

An artist challenges them...



































to a duel, or a dance off, or a game of horse.

 

[gvox]

I'd love for you to provide me an example of a Bruce Ticket being face value at $200.00. Its something I have never seen. You asked a simple question about the Bruce songs you wanted to hear and I gave you a simple answer. I never said you had to go to multiple shows. I gave you websites to reference my point as well. I'm not going to get into a pissing match with you. I guess it was my fault answering a post to someone who seems as hotheaded as you are.

I'm not riled up about this at all. You specifically said that the hit songs I wanted to hear I would have heard if I went to multiple shows. Basically then, in order to get 'casual fan bang for my buck', I'd have to go to multiple shows.

As for your challenge of my ticket price, here's what face was for May's show:

Proof enough for ya? Not to mention that these tickets were almost impossible to get due to being sold out in minutes and a lil scam you might have heard about (TM redirect to TicketsNow). On the street GAs were more like $250 and up. So basically, for a non-obsessive Bruce fan who isn't a member of a fan club or online right when tickets went onsale, I would have had to pay $250 or more to see him on the floor.

Thankfully, he played quite a few of the hit songs I listed that night. Maybe it being the only show (in Canada I think?) had something to do with it...hmmmm...

 

[Salome]

An entertainer gives the audience what they want. An artist provokes them, gives them what they need. An entertainer has preconceived notions of what the audience wants and gives it to them. An artist gives them what they think is the best.

that's probably why Picasso didn't tour the world with a flipping huge arsed claw

 

[jimyjazz]

That's why U2 toured the world with a fucking Pop Art exhibit. And who get's more respect? britney or radiohead? Entertainment is like junk food, and the focus on entertainment is what has killed mainstream music. Phaedra by Tangerine Dream was a top twenty album!!!

 

[jimyjazz]

What's the deal with the claw anyway? What does it mean? I don't get it. I understand that it's at least partly designed to enable more people to fit into the stadium, but what does the claw or spider or Dr Who villain mean in the context of the show?

 

[mikal]

What's the deal with the claw anyway? What does it mean? I don't get it. I understand that it's at least partly designed to enable more people to fit into the stadium, but what does the claw or spider or Dr Who villain mean in the context of the show?

your posts have made me decide that it's really cool to be negative all the time. thank you!

 

[jimyjazz]

your posts have made me decide that it's really cool to be negative all the time. thank you!

I guess you don't know either then...it was only a question. I really don't get it. There must be some significance to it.

I'm glad I influenced you! It's an honour.

 

[AtomicBono]

What's the deal with the claw anyway? What does it mean? I don't get it. I understand that it's at least partly designed to enable more people to fit into the stadium, but what does the claw or spider or Dr Who villain mean in the context of the show?

er...does it have to MEAN anything? I know the 90's shows had much more of a concept, but I don't think this tour does anymore than Vertigo or Elevation (well, some will argue Elevation was about "back to basics" or whatever, but I don't know if that really counts.)

The Claw:
facilitates a 360 show (though admittedly its not completely 360)
looks really fuckin cool

I think that's it, lol.

 

[jimyjazz]

I think Elevation was about love and intimacy. vertigo was about Elevation being successful. But everything in the U2 world has to mean something. they wouldn't spend so much money on trying to make something that is just "cool". They used to make fun of bands for doing that. Then again, they were also against corporate sponsorship, arguing that it cheapens the music...

 

[AtomicBono]

I think Elevation was about love and intimacy. vertigo was about Elevation being successful. But everything in the U2 world has to mean something. they wouldn't spend so much money on trying to make something that is just "cool". They used to make fun of bands for doing that. Then again, they were also against corporate sponsorship, arguing that it cheapens the music...

oh, the corporate sponsorship isn't that bad. It's not like they're being sponsored by Heineken and Toyota. the Blackberry commercial is classy, it really shows off U2 and just says Blackberry at the very end...seems like more of a promotion for U2 than Blackberry, really. that's why I don't have a problem with it. Now, if I hear Streets in a car commercial, that will be a different story. But as it is now I think they've just adjusted to the times. does it really bother you to see Blackberry Presents U2 360 Tour on your ticket? I'm too excited by the fact that I have U2 tickets to give a shit who's sponsoring them.

Vertigo was about Elevation being successful that's hardly a concept, though kind of true

as for The Claw, I don't know what to tell you, I guess I don't "get" it either, if there's some message or concept behind it. I thought it was just to help provide a great show. Everyone I've showed it to thinks it looks amazing. I don't think ZooTV will ever be topped for the innovation and concept and everything, but I'm still super stoked about seeing 360.

 

[Bruce]

I'm not riled up about this at all. You specifically said that the hit songs I wanted to hear I would have heard if I went to multiple shows. Basically then, in order to get 'casual fan bang for my buck', I'd have to go to multiple shows.

As for your challenge of my ticket price, here's what face was for May's show:

Proof enough for ya? Not to mention that these tickets were almost impossible to get due to being sold out in minutes and a lil scam you might have heard about (TM redirect to TicketsNow). On the street GAs were more like $250 and up. So basically, for a non-obsessive Bruce fan who isn't a member of a fan club or online right when tickets went onsale, I would have had to pay $250 or more to see him on the floor.

Thankfully, he played quite a few of the hit songs I listed that night. Maybe it being the only show (in Canada I think?) had something to do with it...hmmmm...

Hey Thanks for posting that My Ga for Giants Stadium NJ in October was $100.00. Got tickets yesterday to see him in Philadelphia as well and it was thru Comcast. Tickets were paperless said I have to bring my credit card and Id to the show. I hope this is a way to beat scalpers who are basically ruining everything.

For U2 In NJ this fall I couldnt get in thru ticket master. I dont want to tell you what I ended up paying for a ticket thru the secondary market lets just say I might miss a mortgage payment but I havent missed a tour since Unforgettable Fire so I have to go.

I dont know whats the bigger problem these days the casual fans or scalpers. No hard feelings and thanks for posting.

 

[gvox]

^ Yikes, scalped U2 tickets. I guess my only real point is that comparing face value to face value, I'd be able to see two U2 shows on the floor for that one BS show...so I'd really be gunning to hear songs that I knew. Cool stuff that you got Bruce for a bill, you got lucky!

 

[Bruce]

^ Yikes, scalped U2 tickets. I guess my only real point is that comparing face value to face value, I'd be able to see two U2 shows on the floor for that one BS show...so I'd really be gunning to hear songs that I knew. Cool stuff that you got Bruce for a bill, you got lucky!

My 10/02/09 section 110 ticket for Bruce is $100.00 same section for U2 is $250.00. His Ga tickets in the States were no more than $100.00. I wonder why Cananda was $30.00 more. I'm happy when I'm at the shows but these concerts are getting expensive. Thank God I have no plans to ever see the Stones, Madonna or McCartney Then your talking about $200.00 just to get in. Like I said I hope this Paperless ticket think can work. Theres got to be some way to beat the scalpers.

 

[gvox]

Well that's easily explainable, I think U2's policy of having the floors be the cheapest of the bunch is unique in the industry almost, isn't it? I know Police floors were $225 face I think. Insane, and they got what they deserved: a bunch of seated rich stiffs in front of them. Great vibes, guys

 

[Bruce]

Well that's easily explainable, I think U2's policy of having the floors be the cheapest of the bunch is unique in the industry almost, isn't it? I know Police floors were $225 face I think. Insane, and they got what they deserved: a bunch of seated rich stiffs in front of them. Great vibes, guys

I think that for the most part Bruce and U2 are keeping their prices reasonable. I think thats great because they are my 2 favorites kind of like a 1a and 1b.

Lets change the momentum of this thread from setlist bitching to ticketprices cause this setlist bitching is getting way out of hand and way too redundant.

 

[angel_28]

List of U2 songs that have been played in 360 setlists that are new, have not been played in a while, or rare:

Breathe
No Line on the horizon
Moment of Surrender
Magnificent
Crazy Tonight Remix
Crazy Tonight (normal)
Get on your boots
Unknown Caller
Unforgettable Fire
Ultraviolet
Electrical Storm
Party Girl
Stay
Bad

.....
Why are people complaining? Be glad they are playing for your entertainment in the first place!

 

[BVS]

What's the deal with the claw anyway? What does it mean? I don't get it. I understand that it's at least partly designed to enable more people to fit into the stadium, but what does the claw or spider or Dr Who villain mean in the context of the show?

What does art mean?

What did the olive mean?

Why a fucking trabant?

Why a fucking a surgeon's mask?

 

[BVS]

Then again, they were also against corporate sponsorship, arguing that it cheapens the music...

Really? Did you go to any of the tours from ZooTV - Vertigo in the states? If so look at your tickets and see who it was presented by...

 

[zooropop40]

 

[AtomicBono]

What does art mean?

What did the olive mean?

Why a fucking trabant?

Why a fucking a surgeon's mask?

okay, the trabants DID have meaning. they represented the end of one era with the fall of the Wall ... also U2 thought it was funny

The olive was clearly part of a martini, and everyone knows that martinis are awesome.

the surgeon's mask ... I dunno, I never question Adam.

 

[popshopper]

Hampden Park setlist

Badlands
Out in the Street
My Lucky Day
She's the One
Outlaw Pete
Working on the Highway
Working on a Dream
Seeds
Johnny 99
Atlantic City
Raise Your Hand (instrumental)
Incident on 57th Street
Pink Cadillac
Cover Me
Waitin' on a Sunny Day
The Promised Land
The River
Kingdom of Days
Radio Nowhere
Lonesome Day
The Rising
Born to Run

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Hard Times
Thunder Road
American Land (with Evan Springsteen)
Bobby Jean
Dancing in the Dark
Twist and Shout[/FONT]

I think the previous poster labours under the illusion that non-hit or non-single equals rare. Atlantic City, Badlands, The Promised Land and Out In The Street etc are all established songs, they are not rarities. Pink Cadillac has been covered and Bobby Jean, Working On The Highway Cover Me and Dancing In The Dark appeared on the 12-million selling Born In The Usa. Furthermore, having seen Bruce at Old Trafford last year, I can honestly say that the atmopshere was great from start to finish. The crowd knew the words to Mary's Place (which the poster would no doubt consider "rare" and therefore as untouchable as a victim of the caste system) and wildcards like It's Hard To Be A Saint In The City and Trapped were greeted with enthusiasm, not apathy. To call Springsteen a nostalgia act is preposterous when he mixes things up so much.

PS- I'm very much in agreement with the points made by Dubbalin girl.

First big crowd reaction post Badlands was Atlantic City, almost an hour later. The set wasn't well received by the majority of the crowd it was flat for over an hour. I'm quite aware about Springsteen's catalog, hell I was singing along to Incident on 57th Street, but the set was poorly paced, particularly the first half, and all over the place. And he really showed off the new material didn't he?