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Yes, definately one of my favourites if not the favourite song.
I just hope they didn't play it on the last leg of the previous tour because those countries missed out on the Elevation Tour:(.
I would love to hear this song live again!

It's the song that really made me realize how unique and special this quartet is.
It's the song that has lifted me up when I've been down.
It's the song that made me want to learn how to play the guitar...
Just to mention a few things, of course.
:heart:
 
Love love love this song. One of the most amazingly beautiful, painfully open, emotionally expressive songs I have ever heard. It is not often that a song can reduce me to tears nearly every time I hear it but this song definitely can.

And perfect choice with the performance at Slane. That really showed me what extraordinary character Bono has. I could never do what Bono did that night, and watching it made -- and still makes -- me truly proud to be a fan. :heart:
 
I love this song. Bono's vocals are very very impressive, both live and studio....so emotional and powerful. The lines "I'm a man, I'm not a child. I'm a man, who sees, the shadow behind your eyes" really stand out for me. Really incredible stuff, despite what many here say. This is definitely one of my favorite U2 songs. I hope they bring it back next tour. :)
 
Love love love this song. One of the most amazingly beautiful, painfully open, emotionally expressive songs I have ever heard. It is not often that a song can reduce me to tears nearly every time I hear it but this song definitely can. :heart:

At first, when it came out, it reduced me to tears because of the relationship between my brother and my father.
Now it's just tears because I have lost both of them since 2005.
As much as I love it, it's really hard for me to listen too. :heart:
 
:yes: One of the best on that album and my favourite Bono vocal of the new decade.
 
Kite, of all U2 songs, is the one that moves me emotionally the most. Mostly for personal reasons; my parents divorced soon after ATYCLB came out and I listened to that album a lot during that period - especially Kite.
 
Average song in the studio (mostly because of the production), but a truly beautiful song live. Both Elevation and Vertigo tour versions.
 
I think "Kite" is just all right -- not very great at all, just average quality U2. The melody is pretty good, though I find the ATYCLB arrangement a bit cheesy and heavy-handed. My main criticism of it is the lyrics (I actually think Bono's lyrics on this album are brilliant, but not on this particular song). Let's examine a few:

"I'm not afraid to die
I'm not afraid to live"

= cheese

"I want you to know
That you don't need me anymore
I want you to know
You don't need anyone, or anything at all"

= Strange: I get the idea of the lyric, but it seems rather odd to say "you don't need anyone or anything at all"... Surely, we all need someone?

"I don't know, which way the wind will blow"
= As bad as Celine Dion -- I actually couldn't believe he sang that the first time I heard the song.

"Don't want to see you cry
I know that this is not goodbye"

= More Celine Dion lyrics


I do love the "I'm a man, not a child" part (vocal is amazing, great melody), but then the "shadow behind your eyes" lyric is a bit of cheese on a stick again.

I quite like the strange little rhymes at the end ("the last of the rock stars", etc.), but it seems to undermine the rest of the song -- he's going on about his own celebrity suddenly. Just a little strange.

I still enjoy the song, but the slick sound and sometimes cheeseball lyrics prevent me from rating it any higher than 3 out of 5 on the U2-scale (which is still higher than most groups' 4-star efforts, but there you go).
 
(I actually think Bono's lyrics on this album are brilliant, but not on this particular song).

Brilliant? Really? We ARE talking about the album that features Stuck In A Moment, Elevation, Wild Honey, Peace On Earth and New York, right? Kite is one of ATYCLB's few lyrical high points...
 
Yes we are

Brilliant? Really? We ARE talking about the album that features Stuck In A Moment, Elevation, Wild Honey, Peace On Earth and New York, right?

Yes, we are. I would agree that "Elevation" is not lyrically strong (it's the worst song on the album in my opinion), but the others you mention all have great pop-lyrics -- especially "New York", some of Bono's best-ever work. "Kite" is Junior-High poetry in comparison.
 
The best thing they've ever put to tape.

You can't talk about the lyrics w/o the performance. It's actually foolish to do so. They're dependent on one another. Nobody "reads" songs. Nobody with musical sense.

Are the lyrics to "Bad" BRILLIANT or MINDBLOWING?
 
Yes, we are. I would agree that "Elevation" is not lyrically strong (it's the worst song on the album in my opinion), but the others you mention all have great pop-lyrics -- especially "New York", some of Bono's best-ever work.

In New York summers get hot, well into the hundreds
You can't walk around the block without a change of clothing
Hot as a hairdryer in your face
Hot as a handbag and a can of mace
In New York, I just got a place in New York


Yeah. I definitely see what you're saying.
 
In New York summers get hot, well into the hundreds
You can't walk around the block without a change of clothing
Hot as a hairdryer in your face
Hot as a handbag and a can of mace
In New York, I just got a place in New York


Yeah. I definitely see what you're saying.

Let me stop you before you highjack this thread -- to summarize: I do like "Kite", but I find the lyrics mediocre. I think ATYCLB has good lyrics overall, and yes I think "New York"'s lyrics are great, but that's off topic.

Know what I find annoying? People who make off-topic arguments with no analysis or evidence to support their opinion -- for example, the lyrics you quote above are perfectly apt by any standard of pop lyrics (Are you going to say they're somehow less cliche than "I don't wanna see you cry / I know that this is not goodbye"?) If you want to make a point expressing your opinion, or if you want to analyze the (supposed) banality of those lyrics, then I'm very interested, but pointless sarcastic responses are one of the disappointing aspects of this site, and you've over-indulged.
 
I wasn't trying to "hijack" the thread, I was simply disagreeing with you. Anyway. I'll bite. Want to know why I didn't post any in-depth analysis? I think that the lyrics do a fairly good job of speaking for themselves, that's why. But since you want me to spell it out for you, I'll gladly do so.

a.) Let's talk similes. "Hot as a hairdryer in your face." :doh: If Bono hadn't gone and outdone himself with Electrical Storm, that could easily be his worst simile to date. I literally cringed when I first heard that line eight years ago. Whenever I listened to ATYCLB (and this was back when I actually liked the album) I always skipped New York, simply because of that line and others like it.

b.) The lyrics feel as though they've just been thrown together without any real care or effort. "Hot as a handbag and a can of mace." :doh: It just sounds...off, for lack of a better word. Another example of this would be the "they even got the police" line. There is no natural flow in that section - "police" sounds forced, in particular. Maybe even rhythmically out of place. A good lyric does not only have to look good on paper, it has to sound good within the song's musical context.

c.) Annoying chorus. Let's just repeat "New York" ad infinitum, that works.


...Now, I know that interpretation of lyrical quality varies from person to person, but I really am struggling to see how New York's lyrics could be classified as "brilliant." Even though Kite's lyrics are admittedly clichéd in sections, I think Bono's presentation of the song's subject matter is much more effective than it is in a lot of other songs on the album, including New York.
 
With Bono its always been not what is said but HOW it is said...thats what makes his voice and passion so brilliant..he could sing the fucking canada national anthem and id still enjoy it

"Oh Canad-ahh--ah--hhhaa"""
 
You can't talk about the lyrics w/o the performance. It's actually foolish to do so. They're dependent on one another. Nobody "reads" songs. Nobody with musical sense.

I think that's true, but only to a certain extent. Take "Running To Stand Still", for instance:

You've gotta cry without weeping
Talk without speaking
Scream without raising your voice


The power of that section has relatively nothing to do with Bono's performance or delivery, and everything to do with the implicit meaning of his words. The overall impact is the same...whether you are listening to the song or reading the liner notes.

Delivery is important though, I agree. That's why I'm less concerned about a few of Kite's cheesier lines. Bono's vocal performance is great on that song.
 
With Bono its always been not what is said but HOW it is said...thats what makes his voice and passion so brilliant..he could sing the fucking canada national anthem and id still enjoy it

"Oh Canad-ahh--ah--hhhaa"""

:scratch:
 
I think that's true, but only to a certain extent. Take "Running To Stand Still", for instance:

You've gotta cry without weeping
Talk without speaking
Scream without raising your voice


The power of that section has relatively nothing to do with Bono's performance or delivery, and everything to do with the implicit meaning of his words. The overall impact is the same...whether you are listening to the song or reading the liner notes.

Delivery is important though, I agree. That's why I'm less concerned about a few of Kite's cheesier lines. Bono's vocal performance is great on that song.

I disagree. That is one of the most beautiful moments in the song, and Bono's singing right there is perfect...for me, it's about the lyrics just as much as it is about the delivery.

So those lines effect you in the same way when you read the liner notes as they do when you're actually listening to the song? That's hard to imagine :scratch:
 
So those lines effect you in the same way when you read the liner notes as they do when you're actually listening to the song? That's hard to imagine :scratch:

Yes. :shrug: Why is it hard to imagine? Don't you read poetry?
 
With Bono its always been not what is said but HOW it is said...thats what makes his voice and passion so brilliant..he could sing the fucking canada national anthem and id still enjoy it

"Oh Canad-ahh--ah--hhhaa"""


In my opinion you are utterly right ! This is my opinion about songs not only
U2 songs but music in general: Not important WHAT is said buy HOW it is said.
Every band, each singer, whatever, have "cheesy" songs, lyrics... moments;

I love Kite and I´d like to put here these parts of comments made by Bono about this song:

" Kite is a reference to an absurd moment of parenting, where I took a kite up on Killiney Hill with Jorden and Eve -- I´de been away and wanted to do the dad thing...............................Songwiting is still a surprise, because you often think you´re describing one thing and it just turns on its head..........." (from "Pro Bono" - The Weekley Australian )


"Kite is a very emotional song.. It´s about letting go of somebody you love, we all have to do that, you know, whether it´s a family or lovers or whatever and I just wanted to put a date on it, it´s no big comment."
(Bono)


So, sometimes I wonder what´s the problem if a rock star decide to put his "cheesy" moment on a song ?? How can a songwiter describe an affective moment in his life using "hard" words?? With heavy metal lyrics ??

Everybody needs some "cheesy" in life not only red hot pepper.

And Kite is just wonderful ... :up:
 
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