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Old 01-15-2008, 09:59 AM   #141
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I'm not much on any candidate and I believe they're all talking heads with canned, prepackaged messages, but for some reason this guy comes across as more sincerely concerned for the American people. Maybe he's just a good actor. Speaking of acting what about Hillary's crying jag to win sympathy when she was down so far in the polls? Shame on her. It's even out of character for the badass bitch but anything that works, she'll sell herself out.
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Old 01-15-2008, 10:49 AM   #142
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Come on here folks. Wise up.
They HAVE to play this game, it's horribly unfortunate, it corrupts very good people, just don't try and sell me that it's not happening to Obama or anyone else. If they don't play along, they'll get nothing done, ever.
They'll still play along, but lobbyists will have less influence under the Democrats. It won't go to a zero percent lobbyist influence as Edwards wants. A recent example can be found in the energy bill that was passed. The oil companies failed(!) in their attempts to get permission to drill for more oil on certain domestic areas that are off limits now. If Congress still had a Republican majority, those provisions probably would have sailed through. Ironically, the Democratic Senator from Lousiana voted against the energy bill because her state has big refineries. So, although she sold out to the lobbyists at a state level, a larger and more damaging selling out at the federal level was averted. A Democratic energy bill will actually have a tougher fuel standard (over 50 mpg) than what was passed (35 mpg).
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Speaking of acting what about Hillary's crying jag to win sympathy when she was down so far in the polls? Shame on her. It's even out of character for the badass bitch but anything that works, she'll sell herself out.
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Yeah...not gonna touch that...
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Old 01-15-2008, 01:02 PM   #145
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If Obama really wanted change

he would step aside

and throw his support to Edwards

I am sure Edwards would give him the VP slot

or perhaps Attoney General or something.


before you nuke me - j/k
there is a growing chorus for Edwards to do this for Obama
and he (Edwards) very well may do this, eventually.
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If Obama really wanted change

he would step aside

and throw his support to Edwards

I am sure Edwards would give him the VP slot

or perhaps Attoney General or something.


before you nuke me - j/k
there is a growing chorus for Edwards to do this for Obama
and he (Edwards) very well may do this, eventually.
That's a ticket I could get excited about.
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Ah deep, you're so sneaky!

I would not be surprised after SC, IF Obama were to win both (after NH I'm not holding my breath), but IF Obama were to win both, Edwards would drop out and support Obama. But we'll see. As they say a week is a year in politics.
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Ah deep, you're so sneaky!

I would not be surprised after SC, IF Obama were to win both (after NH I'm not holding my breath), but IF Obama were to win both, Edwards would drop out and support Obama. But we'll see. As they say a week is a year in politics.
I can see it. It seems the last few times I've seen him speak it feels more like he's applying for the job of VP more than President.
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I just don't think he'd go for VP again. Attorney General yes, VP no.
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It seems the last few times I've seen him speak it feels more like he's applying for the job of VP more than President.
I don't necessarily disagree, but I do think you could also read that behavior as an attempt to woo voters who aren't attracted to Obama and had been leaning towards Hillary, but have major misgivings about her.

I like Edwards and in some ways I prefer the type of campaign he's been running to that of the other two (e.g., the clearly articulated sense of his policy priorities in the way he's developed his "Two Americas" theme) but, for whatever reason, he just can't seem to get any real traction this time around.
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Haha, people are still talking about Hillary's "crying"? Yeah she's a "bitch" too.

Terrell Owens cried far more about Tony Romo.
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TO is also a lame showboater.
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Nah, his tears were 100 real-just like Mitt's
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Haha, people are still talking about Hillary's "crying"? Yeah she's a "bitch" too.

Terrell Owens cried far more about Tony Romo.
He's my quarterback, man.
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Haha, people are still talking about Hillary's "crying"? Yeah she's a "bitch" too.

Terrell Owens cried far more about Tony Romo.
and terrell's tears were just as real as hillary's.

and terrell is much more of a bitch than hillary ever had been or ever will be.

that said... i'm not sure if i want the leader of my country breaking down in tears when things get difficult.

that said again, i suppose it worked for dick vermeil.
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Does anybody honestly believe that Hillary would be a crybaby if elected President of the US? Have we EVER seen any other evidence of this whatsoever throughout her long and very public career prior to this one relatively insignificant incident?
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Does anybody honestly believe that Hillary would be a crybaby if elected President of the US? Have we EVER seen any other evidence of this whatsoever throughout her long and very public career prior to this one relatively insignificant incident?


precisely.

it was because she *did* cry that it became an incident -- that it was so out of character for this woman-of-steel/indestructible political zombie.
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Haha, people are still talking about Hillary's "crying"? Yeah she's a "bitch" too.

Terrell Owens cried far more about Tony Romo.
I'm still amazed the footage of her barely even tearing up and getting a tad shaky-voiced = OMG TOTAL CRAZYWOMAN BREAKDOWN!!!!! for some people.
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I'm still amazed the footage of her barely even tearing up and getting a tad shaky-voiced = OMG TOTAL CRAZYWOMAN BREAKDOWN!!!!! for some people.


i thought it was a good moment for her.

it was the first time she seemed different from a cyborg sent back to kill John Connor.
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that said... i'm not sure if i want the leader of my country breaking down in tears when things get difficult.


and before that

you were all for Hillary
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