US Politics III

[BVS]

Well, if you continue to think that way, you will have hard time engaging with non-liberals for the foreseeable future.

He didn't say anything about "non-liberals", he said YOUR

You're going to have to learn to address a post for how it was made, not what you want it to say.

 

[anitram]

He didn't say anything about "non-liberals", he said YOUR

You're going to have to learn to address a post for how it was made, not what you want it to say.

Maybe AEON thinks that all "non-liberals" have white supremacists thoughts like he does? I mean, that would be telling in itself.

 

[DaveC]

The quick answer is that "no" - Islam was not "wrong" in the historical context to utilize the resources of their conquered lands. My point was that when these resources (especially the Hellenestic progress) ran out, their culture lacked a certain ability to self-sustain and improve.

the mongols burning the capital city of the caliphate to the ground and murdering the entire intellectual and ruling classes of the whole region had absolutely nothing to do with it.

the monolithic culture of islam lacks a certain ability to self-sustain and improve and as soon as they don't have things to steal from white people the whole thing inherently collapses in on itself.

any interpretation of history that gives muslims credit on their own for any benefit to humanity is revisionist/pc garbage.

by the way i'm totally not a white supremacist you guys.

 

[anitram]

the mongols burning the capital city of the caliphate to the ground and murdering the entire intellectual and ruling classes of the whole region had absolutely nothing to do with it.

You have been shaped by the University of Socialist Leftistan where you learned your history.

 

[Popmartijn]

some of his posts are disgusting - i can't believe people are still trying to engage with him - they have more patience than i

Yeah, I'm only casually glancing over this neo-Nazi's posts. No worth arguing with this scum. No words will change their white supremacist's view, so why waste any effort on it?

 

[BVS]

Yeah, I'm only casually glancing over this neo-Nazi's posts. No worth arguing with this scum. No words will change their white supremacist's view, so why waste any effort on it?

I think we have to be careful of the neo-nazi label, not all supremacists are neo-nazis. Up until recent I would have just put AEON in the white nationalist column, but as soon as he started the revisionist history bullshit and labeling history as pc, it became clear that he is a supremacist.

 

[Irvine511]

I think we have to be careful of the neo-nazi label, not all supremacists are neo-nazis. Up until recent I would have just put AEON in the white nationalist column, but as soon as he started the revisionist history bullshit and labeling history as pc, it became clear that he is a supremacist.

Agreed. I think when we think "white supremacist" we think of people in robes or people good stepping or spewing vile "kill the blacks" garbage. That's just one strain of white supremacist.

A mistake that white people make is that blog that racism (or white supremacy) is interpersonal -- that if you are kind to all people then you aren't a racist or a white supremacist. I am sure AEON treats all people the same and teaches his children to do likewise.

But these things are structural not just interpersonal, they infect how we think and view history, and relate to each other. White people tend to not understand how race impacts their lives, whereas a racial minority cannot not see that.

Understanding myself as a sexual minority greatly helped my understanding of things like this.

 

[BVS]

Agreed. I think when we think "white supremacist" we think of people in robes or people good stepping or spewing vile "kill the blacks" garbage. That's just one strain of white supremacist.

A mistake that white people make is that blog that racism (or white supremacy) is interpersonal -- that if you are kind to all people then you aren't a racist or a white supremacist. I am sure AEON treats all people the same and teaches his children to do likewise.

But these things are structural not just interpersonal, they infect how we think and view history, and relate to each other. White people tend to not understand how race impacts their lives, whereas a racial minority cannot not see that.

Understanding myself as a sexual minority greatly helped my understanding of things like this.

 

[anitram]

I understand BVS' and Irvine's points, but I also think that this is really worth repeating. I think that Diemen posted it at some point.

It has to be admitted, people responded to Trump for what he is. Which means we are left with the statements and proposals by which he distinguished himself. And millions of us—tens of millions—preferred him specifically for his points of difference. Excited by his promises to return us to a time when our system existed only for certain people, and the preferences and needs of all others were beneath consideration, or at least willing to overlook that, in favor of some material or policy advantage somewhere.

And ultimately, the reason is immaterial. A man ran for president promising to use the power of the state to bring violence to scapegoated religious and ethnic minorities, to make America torture again, to make it easier for an already-militarized police force to employ violence, who praised dictators, who bragged about sexual assault, who praised vengeance as good, who promoted as fact debunked conspiracy, who stated his determination to ignore as conspiracy what the data overwhelmingly indicates is an oncoming extinction-level event. There was some other reason to vote for him, that allowed you to overlook these facts? Save it, please. It really doesn't matter. It was a bad reason. We have seen this movie before.

Historians have a word for Germans who joined the Nazi party, not because they hated Jews, but because out of a hope for restored patriotism, or a sense of economic anxiety, or a hope to preserve their religious values, or dislike of their opponents, or raw political opportunism, or convenience, or ignorance, or greed.

That word is "Nazi." Nobody cares about their motives anymore.

They joined what they joined. They lent their support and their moral approval. And, in so doing, they bound themselves to everything that came after. Who cares any more what particular knot they used in the binding?

https://juliusgoat.blogspot.ca/2017/01/sky.html?m=1

 

[trojanchick99]

Agreed. I think when we think "white supremacist" we think of people in robes or people good stepping or spewing vile "kill the blacks" garbage. That's just one strain of white supremacist.

A mistake that white people make is that blog that racism (or white supremacy) is interpersonal -- that if you are kind to all people then you aren't a racist or a white supremacist. I am sure AEON treats all people the same and teaches his children to do likewise.

But these things are structural not just interpersonal, they infect how we think and view history, and relate to each other. White people tend to not understand how race impacts their lives, whereas a racial minority cannot not see that.

Understanding myself as a sexual minority greatly helped my understanding of things like this.

Well said. He obviously doesn't realize he's a white supremacist because in his mind he thinks they have to be openly hostile to people.

It's insidious and now cloaked in anti-pc and freedom of speech robes instead of white robes.

 

[AEON]

. I am sure AEON treats all people the same and teaches his children to do likewise.

 

[Moonlit_Angel]

Maybe AEON thinks that all "non-liberals" have white supremacists thoughts like he does? I mean, that would be telling in itself.

Reminds me of the people who, after Charlottesville, were complaining about the way "the liberals" kept going on about those events. Because apparently only liberals could be horrified and upset by what happened there, I guess?

Thanks for reposting that quoted bit about people's motives, too, I don't think I'd caught that before. So true. Trump supporters can continue to protest people's assumptions of them all they want, but I have yet to talk to one who didn't eventually wind up revealing some sort of racist and sexist attitudes along the way.

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Well, if you continue to think that way, you will have hard time engaging with non-liberals for the foreseeable future.

Oh yea?

Irvine and I seem to converse just fine.

 

[dazzledbylight]

You have spoken my name backwards, and now I have lost my power.

GOD DAMN IT HEADACHE.

does that mean no more cori gifs?

 

[dazzledbylight]

Dave C, shineon, anitram, ML just semi-skimmed the 15+ pgs (no net at home) I look forward to going back over next few days to thoroughly read them, and add more to my knowledge. Oh, i know some of it this'll fill in holes or change misinformation.

tjc the Greek you studied is that a form of Ancient Greek. And is there a distinction between early, middle and late Ancient Greek if there is such a thing ? (I'm half greek-american)

 

[trojanchick99]

Oh yea?

Irvine and I seem to converse just fine.

We all know you're a pinko commie.

tjc the Greek you studied is that a form of Ancient Greek. And is there a distinction between early, middle and late Ancient Greek if there is such a thing ? (I'm half greek-american)

Greece was not a unified nation as we know it, it consisted of various city-states. Therefore, Ancient Greek was a series of dialects. It didn't start to unify until the time of Alexander the Great and then the Roman Empire. This Greek was comprised of the two major dialects, Attic and Ionic.

People who know modern Greek can understand some Ancient dialects but it's analogous to modern English to old English.

 

[dazzledbylight]

I think one of the phrases used to be "a pink diaper baby" ha! haven't thought of that in a long time

 

[trojanchick99]

This is unexpected.

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[Salome]

Breaking news: nothing changes

 

[mama cass]

Breaking news: nothing changes

yet the orange one will take credit for it too

 

[AEON]

yet the orange one will take credit for it too

Would you rather he not make this deal?

 

[Salome]

What deal?
The "I leave things as they are"-deal?
The "politics is actually more complicated than my tiny brain can compute, so I have to go back on everything I said before"- deal?

Personally, I do appreciate that he has made this deal.
He indeed is the hugest leader that ever roamed this planet.

 

[AEON]

What deal?
The "I leave things as they are"-deal?
The "politics is actually more complicated than my tiny brain can compute, so I have to go back on everything I said before"- deal?

Personally, I do appreciate that he has made this deal.
He indeed is the hugest leader that ever roamed this planet.

I'm not the biggest fan of President Trump. But I do think that the best path forward for those already inside our border - is to secure the border from this point forward...

Once the border is secure, the likelihood for amnesty for those already here is greatly improved.

 

[Salome]

I'm not the biggest fan of President Trump. But I do think that the best path forward for those already inside our border - is to secure the border from this point forward...

Once the border is secure, the likelihood for amnesty for those already here is greatly improved.

Yes. And when cows learn how to fly I need to start wearing a helmet.


You either have border control or you don´t.
Claiming you are going to enhance existing control is 98% nonsense that serves to make people happy who are weary of all those smelly foreign looking kids. The other 2% is increased bureaucracy that doesn't add anything either.

 

[mama cass]

Would you rather he not make this deal?

DID I SAY THAT?

 

[IWasBored]

Quiet down, Metsrednairoc

Wasn't your AIM handle back in the day like Confused U backwards?

 

[BVS]

I'm not the biggest fan of President Trump. But I do think that the best path forward for those already inside our border - is to secure the border from this point forward...



Once the border is secure, the likelihood for amnesty for those already here is greatly improved.

1. What do you not like about Trump?

2. What does a secure border look like to you?

 

[anitram]

I'm not the biggest fan of President Trump. But I do think that the best path forward for those already inside our border - is to secure the border from this point forward...

Once the border is secure, the likelihood for amnesty for those already here is greatly improved.

Have you, perchance, seen the commentary coming from Bannon, Breitbart and the like on this?

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Wasn't your AIM handle back in the day like Confused U backwards? [emoji38]

... maaaaaybe

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

We all know you're a pinko commie.

Guilty as charged