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Old 02-02-2006, 05:57 PM   #1
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Teen Goes on Rampage in Gay Bar

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060202/...y_bar_shooting

3 Injured. 2 from Gun shots 1 from being struck by a hatchet.
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I heard about that, if that isn't a hate crime then what the hell is?

I guess he's merely a "troubled teen" and that's why he specifically asked if it was a gay bar
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Yes it's a hate crime. But when are we as a civilization going to say screw what color we are, what sexual orientation we are, what religon we practice and get rid of all the different names for each other and say Jacob, julia, francisco, etc.. murdered a young man or woman. It's always White male, black female, hispanic male. Who gives a shit. We are "One" and that is Human Beings.
Question? If a Hispanic person kill's an african american it's not a hate crime, but if a white person kills a hispanic person it could be considered a "Hate Crime?"
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Question? If a Hispanic person kill's an african american it's not a hate crime
Who says it's not? I never hear anyone say that

And we can say screw all that when all people stop hating others who are "different" in some way. When will that happen? Most likely never. We have to call out bigotry, hatred, and racism whenever it exists, because maybe people will notice and actually learn. Pretending it doesn't exist will only make things worse.
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Old 02-02-2006, 06:29 PM   #5
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Who says it's not? I never hear anyone say that

I am not racist. But everytime in the news here.Suspect is a white male, police are looking at it as a hate crime. Do the police know it was racially motivated? What if it's just to people getting in an argument and the white person kills the hispanic person in a struggle? Yet label it as a hate crime.
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Old 02-02-2006, 06:52 PM   #6
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What does race, or "just getting in an argument," have to do with any of this? This was about homophobia, plain and simple. Clearly this guy had no prior issues with any of the individuals in this bar. It is absolutely relevant that they were self-identified gays and he was not.

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In Robida's bedroom, officers found Nazi regalia and anti-Semitic writings on the wall.
Well there you go Irvine. Connecting the dots for you... I guess it's no surprise that a neo-Nazi would be virulently homophobic as well. And a gay bar makes a nice, convenient, readily identifiable target.

I wonder what his parents knew or thought about his interests?
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What if it's just to people getting in an argument and the white person kills the hispanic person in a struggle? Yet label it as a hate crime.
Give us some examples of this.
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God, I just saw this on the news. People completely suck! The suspect is on the run right now.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11146480/

He had nazi items in his home.
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His young teen ass will be the prime party spot on his cell block.

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haha, no kidding.

tis a bit ironic.
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OK, maybe I was jumping to conclusions about his parents.
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Mr. Robida lives at 613 County St. with his mother and siblings. His mother, Stephanie Oliver, has diabetes and is going blind, the neighbor said. The neighbor said the grandmother, Evelyn Oliver, who owns the white three-decker, takes her 13-year-old granddaughter to school everyday because the mother cannot drive. Stephanie Oliver is in her 40s and is frail and disabled, the neighbor said.
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Some patrons said there has been occasional low-level harassment at the bar over the years.

Puzzles has been egged, cars parked outside have had windows smashed and teenagers have thrown rocks and bricks at the building's facade for years, said Dan Sheteron, 51, who lives upstairs. Anti-gay graffiti often defaces the building.

"This doesn't surprise me," Sheteron said of the attack. "It was either going to be this or a firebomb through the front window."
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Ugh, what a disgusting person.
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It's just really sad that people that young are going on killing rampages - what could have happened in his life so early to make him do this?

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perhaps going into a gay bar inspired some gay panic in him?

you know -- gay panic, when a straight person can become so offended or outraged by a sexual or romantic interest that is perceived to be gay that they are driven temporarily insane and commits an out-of-character act.

this was the logic the defense tried to use to get Matthew Shepard's murderers acquited, or at least a lighter sentence.

but perhaps i'm just being negative.

let's remember that under federal law, crimes committed on the basis of sexual orientation are not hate crimes. not even a dead body tied to a fence in Laramie, WY could get Clinton enough votes to get it through Congress.

hate crimes are interesting, though. i have some ideological problems with them -- but if we are going to deem some crimes "hate crimes," then it seems as if sexual orientation belongs there.
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Or maybe we should oppose all hate crime legislation with equal vigour and demand the equality of null.
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Or maybe we should oppose all hate crime legislation with equal vigour and demand the equality of null.


that is the other option.

the discrimination, to me, lies in the apparent evidence that some groups of people are worthy of special consideration, and others are not.

but hate crimes legislation is another topic entirely. i can see both sides on this issue.
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From the Boston globe.

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In Robida's room at his mother's house, police yesterday found homemade posters slurring gays, African-Americans, and Jews; neo-Nazi literature and skinhead paraphernalia; a makeshift coffin; and an empty knife sheath, according to police, prosecutors, and court documents.
If this isn't proof it was a hate crime, I don't know what is.
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