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Old 04-07-2002, 07:08 PM   #21
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Oh, indeed?
What exactly does that entail? I'm not mocking you, I am genuinely interested.

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Seems to me you need to get a better education. The evidence that the Universe was created from the "big bang" is everywhere. No faith required.

I don't think 80sU2isBest needs a better education, at all; in fact, he seems very well educated.

At the end of the day, the question here is the matter of faith, not ignorance or lack of education. 80s has faith, and you don't, its as black and white as that, and not really to do with you being more educated than 80s; you claim that there is no evidence to suggest God created the Big Bang, but 80s argues that there is no evidence to suggest that God DIDN'T create the Big Bang.

All I'm saying is, you will never agree with 80s, but I don't think its legitimate to accuse him of suffering from a lack of education; both of you are blind to each other's colours, as it were.

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Its more of a philosophy actually. Im an atheistic satanist. We view satan as a symbol of the carnal and natural side of human nature as noted in the nine satanic statements. We are our own god, creating our own good and evil. We dont harm children. No animal sacrifices. Children and animals are important to satanist because they accept their natural side the most. You can ask me some questions if you want.


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Its more of a philosophy actually. Im an atheistic satanist. We view satan as a symbol of the carnal and natural side of human nature as noted in the nine satanic statements. We are our own god, creating our own good and evil. We dont harm children. No animal sacrifices. Children and animals are important to satanist because they accept their natural side the most. You can ask me some questions if you want.
Ravenstar, thank you for your information, how fascinating. Yes, I was aware that actual Satanism is very much different from the way the Media or Social convention has made it look (ie - animal sacrifices of the sort), but I was very curious as the philosophy. You say that you follow the nine satanic statements, what are these?

Thank you for your information.

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Ravenstar, thank you for your information, how fascinating. Yes, I was aware that actual Satanism is very much different from the way the Media or Social convention has made it look (ie - animal sacrifices of the sort), but I was very curious as the philosophy. You say that you follow the nine satanic statements, what are these?

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The Nine Satanic Statements
I Satan represents indulgence, instead of abstinence!

II Satan represents vital existence, instead of spiritual pipe dreams!

III Satan represents undefiled wisdom, instead of hypocritical self-deceit!

IV Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates!

V Satan represents vengeance, instead of turning the other cheek!

VI Satan represents responsibility to the responsible, instead of concern for psychic vampires!

VII Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all fours, who, because of his "divine spiritual and intellectual development, has become the most vicious animal of all!

VIII Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!

IX Satan is the best friend the church has ever had, as he has kept it in business all these years!



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I don't think 80sU2isBest needs a better education, at all; in fact, he seems very well educated.
At the end of the day, the question here is the matter of faith, not ignorance or lack of education. 80s has faith, and you don't, its as black and white as that, and not really to do with you being more educated than 80s; you claim that there is no evidence to suggest God created the Big Bang, but 80s argues that there is no evidence to suggest that God DIDN'T create the Big Bang.
All I'm saying is, you will never agree with 80s, but I don't think its legitimate to accuse him of suffering from a lack of education; both of you are blind to each other's colours, as it were.
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Thanks a bunch, Anthony. It's nice to have people help me out like that!
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RavenStar,
Based on the nine satanic statements, is it safe to say that satanism is largely about gratifying the self?


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That's interesting martha...I did a quick yahoo search and found a lot about meher..very interesting

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Based on the nine satanic statements, is it safe to say that satanism is largely about gratifying the self?
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Yes, indeed; those were my initial thoughts as well. Forgive me if I am wrong in this interpretation, Ravenstar, but Satanism does seem to be about the indulgence of the Self in terms of sense pleasures. ie - if there is a desire, one must give into it, not repress it. Am I right in this interpetation.
Thank you for your continued information, now, I would like to find out what it is about Satanism that helps you in life.

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it is a religion of the self. A satanist will always put themselves first. Indulgence is a huge thing in Satanism. The best way to live your life is to live it.

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That's interesting martha...I did a quick yahoo search and found a lot about meher..very interesting
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it is a religion of the self. A satanist will always put themselves first. Indulgence is a huge thing in Satanism. The best way to live your life is to live it.
Do satanists believe in the afterlife?
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But there is certainly no evidence whatsoever that it occurred by pure happenstance, without any creative force behind it. [/B]
Actually, yes there is. There is a relatively new theory out, proposed by a physicist whose name starts with the letter G. Guth, maybe. Discover magazine did a cover story about it. Unfortunately, I left the magazine at my office and can't remember how to spell the man's name. Anyway, his theory is called the "inflation theory" and describes how the universe may have spontaneously created itself. He has already won an award that is often the pre-cursor to the Nobel.

If anyone has questions about it, I can answer them when I bring the magazine home.

And answering the original question of this thread, I consider myself "Catholic-Buddhist."

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Do satanists believe in the afterlife?[/B][/QUOTE]

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Actually, yes there is. There is a relatively new theory out, proposed by a physicist whose name starts with the letter G. Guth, maybe. Discover magazine did a cover story about it. Unfortunately, I left the magazine at my office and can't remember how to spell the man's name. Anyway, his theory is called the "inflation theory" and describes how the universe may have spontaneously created itself. He has already won an award that is often the pre-cursor to the Nobel.

If anyone has questions about it, I can answer them when I bring the magazine home.
It still doesn't change it from being a theory, not actual irrefutable evidence. Its a theory that happens to fit the facts maybe, but most widely recognised theories do that anyway.

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Actually, yes there is. There is a relatively new theory out, proposed by a physicist whose name starts with the letter G. Guth, maybe.
But that's a theory. There's always been the theory that God doesn't exist. There is no evidence anywhere that God doesn't exist. Such evidence cannot exist. It's like trying to prove that love does not exist. it can't be done.
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And answering the original question of this thread, I consider myself "Catholic-Buddhist."

Catholic-Buddhist? Can you tell me more about this? How do you combine those two quite different religions?



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I do not wish to "hijack" this thread. But I feel I must say something to you. I have something to tell you, and I'm not saying it out of anger, but out of concern for you. Please know that I am not attacking you in this post, only warning you of the truth about your religion, because I feel that if you continue down the road of satanism, you are headed for a fall. I prayed for you last night, as I always pray for those who do not know Christ. But my prayer last night was specifically for you; I prayed that you would see exactly where your master is leading you. Your master was defeated 2000 years ago, and ever since then, his work has been to take as many souls with him as he can. This satanistic religion of selfishness, greed, and sin may be what you think you want, but it's actually very destructive in this life and the life to come. You told me you don't believe in the afterlife; okay, let's look at the religion's effect on this world. How can having your own needs as #1 priority be any good for this life? That's where crime finds its roots. That's where hatred finds its roots. That's where sickening sin find its roots. I know the world isn't perfect, but I thank God for people who put others' needs before their own. If everyone was concerned with themselves first, a lot more people would have died on Sept.11. Thank God for those heros, and for present, past and future heros that put others as their number one priority instead of themselves.
In the final analysis, I DO believe in the afterlife, and my honest belief is that your master does too; he just doesn't want you to believe in it. Satan has already lost the war, and one day it will be final, and his eternal home will be one of torment and fire. And if he goes, be assured he will take his followers with him. My master, my friend, my Lord and my God (Jesus Christ)offers something that is exactly the opposite. He offers His love; He died on a cross and rose from the dead because of His love for you. He offers his Heaven as an eternal residence. It is a free gift; we can't earn it. Please accept His gift. You can still break away from the sadistic creature upon which your religion is based.
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HeartlandGirl, a couple of points, if you don't mind:

1. The physicist you're talking about is Alan Guth. He probably isn't going to win a Nobel for his theory of inflationary cosmology, though. He's a very nice man (I was an undergraduate at MIT, and I've met him personally).

2. Even inflationary cosmology or string theories, theories that propose that the universe could have created itself, don't answer the question of whether a God must have created the universe. They merely displace the question. If the universe created itself out of "quantum foam", how did the quantum foam come to exist? etc. It's similar to the refutation of the "design argument" for God's existence--if God designed everything in the universe, who designed the Designer? At this point, you must either say "the Designer was not designed by anybody" or give up on the argument.
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