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Old 06-24-2016, 07:25 AM   #81
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16 years after the OKC bombings, restrictions were placed on the amount of fertilizer that people can buy at one time. The ATF had been advocating for these restrictions since the bombing. You also can't have box cutters on planes anymore. Hell, some guy tried to put a bomb in a shoe and now we have to take off our shoes at the airport. It is about the means used to carry out attacks.

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Irvine511: Thanks for your reply. One note a the firearm this killer used. He could have used a variety of different types of firearms and inflicted the same horrific results.





But he couldn't have used bolt action hunting rifle, or a shotgun, or even a handgun. Stop pretending all guns are the same. Stop perpetuating the lie that an AR 15 or a sig sauer mcx are the same as a hunting rifle and it's just an aesthetic issue. Stop stop stop.

Having a modular gun that can be pieced together in a matter of a minute allows you to conceal this weapon, you can't do that with a hunting rifle or shotgun. And don't tell me there's no difference between a gun that can take a 30 round magazine that can be ejected and replaced within seconds and a top loader, shotgun, or even a handgun. The amount of damage done in the amount of time, and the range of accuracy are all significant factors. Stop pretending otherwise.

Cars are regulated, chemicals are regulated; as a society we protect our citizens by trying to minimize the harm that inanimate objects can do. Stop pretending otherwise. When we regulate cars does anyone yell "they're taking away our cars"? No, because as a society we are smarter than that. Now why can't the right be that smart?


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I also can't buy lawn darts because some kid died somewhere once.
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I also can't buy lawn darts because some kid died somewhere once.

We usually plant about two acres of sweet corn. Before the Oklahoma bombing we were able to buy, at a low price, ammonium nitrate as a fertilizer.
It was used by most farmers and is a great side dressing for corn. Corn is a heavy feeder and needs nutrient dense foods to grow.

Not long after the bombing our local feed and seed store stopped selling it. I'm not sure if it is even used or regulated on farms that grow thousands of acres.
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It's about bad people having access to weapons designed to cause quick, easy death. And in the case of semi automatics, quick easy mass death.

The OK City example is good to bring up -- no one thinks gun safety measures will end violence or prevent all "evil" acts from ever occurring. But what gun safety will do is reduce the rate of gun crime as well as reduce the lethality of gun crime when it does occur. The simple truth about these inanimate objects is that the more of them that exist the more likely they are to be used to cause human death. More guns means more gun crime. American society is no more or less filled with "evil" than Japanese society or Australian society or German society. The reason why their rates of death via firearm is a fraction of ours is because their evil people have a much more difficult time accessing weapons designed to kill people, and the firearms available are much less deadly.

Cars are inanimate objects. Yet people die behind the wheel every day. But we have drastically reduced automobile fatalities by requiring driver education, recertification, age limits at the lower and upper end, registration, insurance, air bags, anti-lock breaks, seat belts, speed limits. Roads are improved all the time with safety in mind.

We should treat guns the same way. We know that when there are more guns more people will be killed by guns. They present a health risk, especially to American women who are 11x more likely to be killed by a gun than their counterparts in other developed nations. Likewise, doctors should ask their patients if they have firearms in the home, home insurance rates should go up if you own a firearm (they do if you own a Pitt bull).

It's about safety. These inanimate objects make "evil" people far more deadly. Let's do what we can to make us all safer.
I don't know if you could state it any better. We have countless examples of every day tools, items, objects, that when proven harmful to the public, measures are taken to make them and/or us safer.

These discussions cannot happen because both sides (and I'll say it, mostly the NRA/GOP) resort to extremes. It is fear mongering at it's best and worst. Guns will be taken away, imminent threats against your safety from "bad" guys and terrorists. You are not safe, best to arm yourself if you want to survive.

There was a decent article shared by NPR yesterday about the history of concealed carry in this country. The history of politicians and the NRA discussing what a bad idea it would be to have citizens carrying weapons out in every day life. How it goes against the intention of gun ownership, and sportsmanship. Even the GOD Ronald Reagan was against it.

But over time the NRA used fear to manipulate the laws, and now you can carry your firearm in all 50 states. Some openly.

I fear that we've gone too far down this path to EVER return to common sense laws. Does the AR15 need to be outlawed? I'm not so sure as there may be steps to make it less deadly, along with other automatic weapons and handguns.

It's just so sad that feelings have now replaced facts in any discussion. We legislate from our gut, and not from reason and logic.
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I for one can't believe Iron Horse is posting inaccurate and/or irrelevant things at every turn in this discussion.
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Ongoing Mass Shootings Thread pt 2

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We usually plant about two acres of sweet corn. Before the Oklahoma bombing we were able to buy, at a low price, ammonium nitrate as a fertilizer.
It was used by most farmers and is a great side dressing for corn. Corn is a heavy feeder and needs nutrient dense foods to grow.

Not long after the bombing our local feed and seed store stopped selling it. I'm not sure if it is even used or regulated on farms that grow thousands of acres.
So? What's stopping you from getting it elsewhere, or using a different type of fertiliser that works just as well? There's plenty of alternatives available that cannot be crafted in dangerous bombs.

Just like there are plenty of alternatives to semiautomatic guns that don't massacre 50 people in a few minutes.
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We usually plant about two acres of sweet corn. Before the Oklahoma bombing we were able to buy, at a low price, ammonium nitrate as a fertilizer.
It was used by most farmers and is a great side dressing for corn. Corn is a heavy feeder and needs nutrient dense foods to grow.

Not long after the bombing our local feed and seed store stopped selling it. I'm not sure if it is even used or regulated on farms that grow thousands of acres.
Do you now have to walk 50 miles barefoot in the snow with your AK to go get a bag? Cause that would be heartbreaking.
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So? What's stopping you from getting it elsewhere, or using a different type of fertiliser that works just as well? There's plenty of alternatives available that cannot be crafted in dangerous bombs.

Just like there are plenty of alternatives to semiautomatic guns that don't massacre 50 people in a few minutes.
You do realize this guy had 3 hours.
A couple of glock handguns and a few full clips would have done about the same.
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You do realize this guy had 3 hours.
A couple of glock handguns and a few full clips would have done about the same.
Cause the cops would have held off for so long if he had a couple of glocks.

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these cops were not smart, they were holding off to negotiate, he was holed up in the bathroom most of the time
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You do realize this guy had 3 hours.
A couple of glock handguns and a few full clips would have done about the same.

In what timeframe did the actual killings take place?

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I really don't want to fault the cops or victims for not fighting back
I want to 100% lay this on Mateen, I am not a fan of the assault rifles and was fine the 10 years they were banned. I am not going to buy that banning that gun would have stopped Mateen for killing a bunch of gay people.
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these cops were not smart, they were holding off to negotiate, he was holed up in the bathroom most of the time

They were routinely coming in the building to drag people out to save as many as they could.

It's hard to judge what happened without having been there.
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Any gun owner?

Shit, that'll help. Certainly won't make the list meaningless, will it?
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I really don't want to fault the cops or victims for not fighting back
Why do it then?
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